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I guess even a 0-2-0 wouldn't stall on em' . But you are saying they would cause a problem with DCC? Why is that? Country: USA | Posts: 13438 Frank Palmer Fireman Posted - 03/04/2013 :  7:28:25 PM     Thanks Jerry, Bob and Terry. Mike, I’m taking this bit of info from Alan Gartner’s “Wiring for DCC”, I have no experience with the subject only what I read in Alan's web site. You obviously have more experience than I do since I have zero. I'll take your word for it. Which makes me feel better since I have several electro-frog switches that I thought I'd have to modify. http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches_peco.htm He states: SUGGESTION #2-12b: Peco "Electrofrog" Turnout Is DCC Friendly In Just a Few Snips. The problem with the frog shorting is completely eliminated with no serious cutting effort on the part of the modeler required. Not only does not modeler not need to saw on the turnout, potentially risking damage, but also the jumpers around the frog do not need to be cut. The only jumpers that need to be cut are those shown. Be careful not to cut those across the frog! Frank Edited by - Frank Palmer on 03/04/2013 7:29:21 PM Country: USA | Posts: 6134 Tyson Rayles Moderator Premium Member Posted - 03/04/2013 :  9:20:01 PM   I would suggest posting a question about this in the DCC forum and see what they say. A second opinion can't hurt. My own layout is DC so I really don't know the answer to this myself. Country: USA | Posts: 13438 Frank Palmer Fireman Posted - 03/13/2013 :  7:30:18 PM     Over the last couple of days I was able to install what little Frocks and sawdust ground filler that was needed. For those unfamiliar with Frocks they’re simply foam-socks. All you do is tear some cushion foam into rock like forms then paint on sanded tile grout mixed with a little water and some color. Use a fairly stiff brush that you’re not fond of since you may ruin the brush in the process. Not much color is needed to simulate coral rock since it’s primarily white to off-white in color since it’s the skeletal remains of millions of years old dead corals. Along the coast and especially in the Florida Keys the land is formed of a coral rock base covered with sand. To finish the rock forms won’t require much effort from here. I also made the ground base from sawdust, water and good old Elmer’s glue. All you have to do is pour some sawdust into a container add equal amounts of water and glue and mix to a nice thick paste. Apply the paste and texture or smooth it to the desired finish and let dry for a couple of days. When working the paste spray it with water to keep the surface wet. I was trying to replicate how sand would look washed up along the rocky coast. Some areas will be all sandy beach land. The final touches here will be to go down to the seashore and sift sand. Almost sounds like something from my youth. I was able to lay most of the track using Loctite Power Grab adhesive. I wanted to use something water proof since I would be putting the ballast down with white glue and water. It sure doesn’t take long for that stuff to take hold. Frank Edited by - Frank Palmer on 03/13/2013 7:49:26 PM Country: USA | Posts: 6134 Frank Palmer Fireman Posted - 03/13/2013 :  7:34:42 PM     Frank Country: USA | Posts: 6134 Frank Palmer Fireman Posted - 03/13/2013 :  7:38:45 PM     The sawdust we have access to is more like wood flour than wood chips. It’s the product of a commercial sanding machine from a custom molding company in our industrial park. We have one bag from them that should last several life times. It’s a plastic bag about the size of a 55 gallon drum. Frank Edited by - Frank Palmer on 03/13/2013 7:45:30 PM Country: USA | Posts: 6134 Frank Palmer Fireman Posted - 03/13/2013 :  7:40:28 PM     Frank Country: USA | Posts: 6134 Martin Welberg Fireman Posted - 03/13/2013 :  8:00:25 PM     Like the subject / theme...great progress Frank.. Sawdust...almost good for anything.. Country: Netherlands | Posts: 6736 TRAINS1941 Engineer Premium Member Posted - 03/13/2013 :  8:04:36 PM   Nice how to Frank. That really does give a nice imprssion of Jersey sand. Jerry "And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." A. Lincoln Country: USA | Posts: 13227 scott robertson Crew Chief Posted - 03/13/2013 :  9:15:53 PM     Looking forward to seeing this project develop. I sure enjoyed my Sun Coast Center visit in February, I assume you are one of the members who put together that fine exhibit. Will this project find its way there in the future? Scott Country: USA | Posts: 891 Frank Palmer Fireman Posted - 03/14/2013 :  09:27:58 AM     Thanks Martin, love your RR projects. Jerry the sawdust looks nice while it's wet but turns kind of ugly when it's dry. Scott, nice to hear you enjoyed the visit to the Center. Richard and I started the SCRR but Dave put it over the top. The layout might go over for a special occasion but it's destined for the shelf over my work bench. I'd better get back to the 1/6 boxcar project for a while. Frank Edited by - Frank Palmer on 03/14/2013 09:30:38 AM Country: USA | Posts: 6134 Tyson Rayles Moderator Premium Member Posted - 03/14/2013 :  2:08:31 PM   Great progess Frank! One question, if you decide to change your track arrangement how to you get the track back up after using the power grab stuff? Country: USA | Posts: 13438 Frank Palmer Fireman Posted - 03/15/2013 :  11:42:54 AM     Mike, I'm able to slide a knife blade under the track and cut it loose. I spent a lot of time doing the track plan on paper before doing the construction. I also spent quite a bit of time pinning the track in place to make sure I was happy with the configuration. I’m hoping there won’t be any changes. Frank Edited by - Frank Palmer on 03/15/2013 11:49:18 AM Country: USA | Posts: 6134 desertdrover Engineer Posted - 03/15/2013 :  2:35:34 PM   I like the Frocks your putting down Frank, and the method of its use. Looks to be a quick and easy process. A bit of a way from the Fn3 isn't it? Louis Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast Post count: 5000 posts added to below count. Edited by - desertdrover on 03/15/2013 2:37:51 PM Country: USA | Posts: 16120 Carl B Fireman Premium Member Posted - 03/15/2013 :  4:19:56 PM   Hey Frank, Thanks for the step by step! I think plasters' days are numbered. Your skill set is amazing- and I'll be following this thread closely! I see you wear gloves too! 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