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Dutchman Posted - 02/01/2009 : 6:33:38 PM
This thread is one of a series of threads intended to help RR-L Forum members who are also members of the NMRA and are working within the NMRA’s Achievement Program. This is not a thread to debate the pros and cons of either the NMRA or the Achievement Program. For a full explanation of the purpose of these threads, members should refer to this thread on the forum: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24676

The Master Builder – Cars category requires the modeler to turn his/her attention to rolling stock. To earn the certificate, the modeler must build eight pieces of highly detailed rolling stock. This rolling stock must be able to ‘operate’ on the rails. The eight cars must represent four different ‘types’ of cars, at least one of which must be a passenger car. Of the eight, four of the cars must be scratchbuilt, and four must earn at least 87.5 points when evaluated against specific NMRA standards.

More information on the Master Builder – Cars category can be found at this link: http://www.nmra.org/education/achievement/ap_cars.html

This is an area in which I haven’t done much work yet. However, I want to turn my attention to this one next. I know that Don (AVRR-PA) is also about to begin work in this area. Anyone else wanting to try their hands at this category, perhaps we can ‘work together’ through the forum.
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Dutchman Posted - 02/25/2021 : 09:41:02 AM
Originally posted by Joe-SVL

Years ago I belonged to Dutchman's Scenery Certificate "Support" Thread, but have lost the URL to get to that forum. If anybody knows the URL for that forum please post it here or send it to me.

Joe in ORlando

Here you go, Joe.


Joe-SVL Posted - 02/25/2021 : 09:16:00 AM
Years ago I belonged to Dutchman's Scenery Certificate "Support" Thread, but have lost the URL to get to that forum. If anybody knows the URL for that forum please post it here or send it to me.

Joe in ORlando
mwbpequod Posted - 01/12/2021 : 1:15:10 PM
Originally posted by Joe-SVL

According to my 1953 ORER the AAR class designation for my PRR 128079 stock car is "80".

Joe in Orlando

I was hoping for the PRR class number; those begin with K and have either a number or letter after the K.
Joe-SVL Posted - 01/12/2021 : 11:20:06 AM
According to my 1953 ORER the AAR class designation for my PRR 128079 stock car is "80".

Joe in Orlando
mwbpequod Posted - 01/11/2021 : 7:45:17 PM
Originally posted by Joe-SVL

I'm making progress on my PRR 128079 stock car. My question for today is what type of roof - metal, wood, or tar paper would have been on this car which was built in 1940

Joe in Orlando

What's the car class for that stock car?
jbvb Posted - 01/11/2021 : 2:32:38 PM
I'm not a PRR historian, but I would be extremely surprised if they used anything but a commercial stamped steel pattern roof in 1940.
Joe-SVL Posted - 01/11/2021 : 2:30:39 PM
I'm making progress on my PRR 128079 stock car. My question for today is what type of roof - metal, wood, or tar paper would have been on this car which was built in 1940

Joe in Orlando
Michael Hohn Posted - 11/22/2020 : 6:23:07 PM

Photos I’ve seen of Mather stock car models make me think the Tichy ladders won’t work. Nor will any commercial parts I’ve seen. I think you need to use individual grab irons.

BurleyJim Posted - 11/22/2020 : 6:10:16 PM
Joe, the Tichy ladders will be less of a headache. .020 wire still works out to 1-3/4" rod or pipe. You would need the hands of an ape to climb the ladders. .015 would look closer, but a lot of work for a brass ladder that you still have to prep, and paint. I'd go with the Tichy ladders, and be done.

Joe-SVL Posted - 11/22/2020 : 5:09:35 PM
I'm on my 3-rd scratch built car, a stock car, and as strange as it may seem I finally have a need for ladders. My flat car and Drovers caboose did not have external ladders. BurleyJim months ago pointed me to Transhed Cyclopedia #17 which had a great dimensioned drawing of a PRR stock car. I will be including this 2 page drawing in my documentation package which means my judges will have a great reference frame to evaluate my ladders (construction and detail categories). From the TS#17 drawings the ladder rungs are stated to be 15.75" apart and the width as I measured it with my dial caliper appears to be about 18.3". I can see several options for ladders and would appreciate some guidance.
Option 1. Use "Best fit" ladders from Tichy or other like vendors
Option 2. Use 0.020" wire and build my own
Option 3. Use Northeastern Scale lumber pieces and build my own
Option 4. Use Evergreen styrene rods and build my own
Option 5. A combination of options 3 and 4

Joe in Orlando
Joe-SVL Posted - 11/05/2020 : 1:24:50 PM
After way to many minutes looking at the drawings in TS #17 and studying photos on-line I've decided that the end boards on my car will not extend out to the outer sides of the end boards. The drawings in TS #17 have a tremendous amount of data in them which at times makes it kinda hard to find the detail that I am looking for at the moment. BUT I am still super glad that Jim B gave me the reference to TS #17.

Joe in Orlando
Michael Hohn Posted - 11/05/2020 : 11:39:18 AM
Regarding question 1, aren’t the drawings detailed enough to show this?

The old way of doing things was for the end-most floor boards to cover the end sills and actually extend out a little. But on the Mather cars the end sills are not exposed ie do not extend beyond the end walls. What’s not clear from photos I’ve seen is whether the edges of floorboards can be seen below the end sheathing (like the sides, where we can see floor board ends under the side sheathing) or if the end sheathing comes down all the way to the sill, covering the edges of floorboards. I don’t have a copy of the plans to examine.

wvrr Posted - 10/30/2020 : 10:18:23 AM

If yoou use the forum's search function and type in "hay bale" and make sure "subject only" is selected, I found four threads. One of them is Bill Gill's:

Maybe one of the four has a suggestion that will work for you.

Joe-SVL Posted - 10/30/2020 : 09:17:33 AM
Stock car questions.

Thanks to Jim B's suggestion wrt Trainshed Cyclopedia #17 I am making progress on my stock car but now I have a couple of questions.

1. From the TS #17 drawing I can clearly see that the floor boards on the lower floor extend out to the outside of the side boards. Do they also extend out to the outside edge of the end boards?

2. I'm doing a double floor stock car. The TS #17 drawing clearly shows the locations of the cross member floor support boards. But they do not show how the upper floor is supported across the cattle door. Any help would be appreciated.

3. For the "Detail" part of the AP scoring I feel I need to put hay on both of the floors. I'm at a loss wrt what to use to represent hay and where to to purchase such an item. Again any help would be appreciated.

Joe in Orlando
Joe-SVL Posted - 10/07/2020 : 5:55:26 PM
My first car was a flat car. My second was a Drovers Caboose i.e. a passenger car. Neither have been judged as I'm waiting to finish at least my 3-rd car before I call for judging. Car certificate will be my 7-th certificate, although my Civil certificate has not been judged yet.

Joe in Orlando

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