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    Good Morning group.I have a basic two horizontal tank set up on a siding with room for three tank cars.I have pipes valves etc and picked up Rusty Stumps valves, very nice product. I scratchbuilt a pump house. I am going to run trackside pipe into pump house and come out with two with valves and fittings to the two tanks.Question..do the tanks fill from top with a pipe or from low side end of tanks??..Obviously i will come out the other end of tank to fueling location. I would like to a ladder and grate walkway between the two tanks..the ladder up the middle between the tanks.Any ideas on material or where i may locate materials to build walkway and get stairs. Its coming together ok but would like to make it look as good as possible. Trackside hose..what size electrical wire would you use to fill from under tank carts to trackside valve. Hope these questions and topic may help some of you.Thanks.Steve

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    Hi Steve, I'm sure there are other Ideas out there, but what I can offer is, Walthers.com has Part # 933-2939 Platforms and stairways kits that are photo-etched if you want ready built types.
    Or if it were me, I'd build my own from strip wood. Below is a scratch built version, and some model examples for you. Fuel hose lines are 2 - 4 inch, so you can find black wire in-between that size range. That is my 2 cents worth. Also your fuel tanks are filled from the top, and deliver fuel from the bottom.


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    Louis L&R Western Railroad
    Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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    • #3
      OK, where is everyone with some ideas, or pictures? This is your moment to help the membership with your ideas and knowledge.


      Louis L&R Western Railroad
      Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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      • #4
        I checked flow rates through various pipe diameters. 2" inside diameter will do maybe 6,000 gallons an hour at modest pressures. So .032 or .040" wire should be OK.
        James

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        • #5
          Thanks guys very nice ,I did some reading too. Some guys use solder as a fill tube/hose from bottom of car to trackside pipe and valves. I was gifted the walthers pipe and valve kit and i also have Rusty Stumps 1/16 fittings and some 1/16 styrene. pipe/tube. I think i can make it presentable .Lou's pictures get the juices flowing. No engineer just want something and not just tanks. At the end of the day i will get it to work.Thanks again guys.Steve

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          • #6
            Discussion..The pipe along trackside with valves leading to pump house..those would be larger than pipes coming out of pumphouse to tanks??.Not to clear on that. Is James referring to the hose from tank car or pipes?

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            • #7
              Hi Steve, like James said, and I had posted earlier that 2-4 inch hose is used. The 2" is a good size filler hose, and your lines can be the larger 4".
              It is true many modelers use solder for their fuel hoses because they form into shapes better than wire. I personally like using the wire better, but again that's a personal choice. You could have larger lines coming from the pumphouse to the top of the tanks, and the 2" size coming from the bottom of the tanks to your equipment.


              Louis L&R Western Railroad
              Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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              • #8
                Loading rail tanks can be done from a swing arm arrangement from above. Likely to use a flexible hose when unloading car from underneath to a fixed ground line. Solder does well for that purpose and can be blackened easily.
                Last edited by David_J_Buchholz; 01-15-2022, 12:47 PM.
                Home of the HOn3 North Coast Railroad, along the shores of Lake Ontario.

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                • #9
                  Steve you might want to read through this PDF. It has a 8" and 10" line used for their fuel line main. This has some interesting information in it.

                  Design-Operation Locomotive Fuel Oil Stations.pdf
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                  Last edited by desertdrover; 01-15-2022, 12:15 PM.


                  Louis L&R Western Railroad
                  Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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                  • #10
                    Steve, did you get and read that PDF?????


                    Louis L&R Western Railroad
                    Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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                    • #11
                      I read it.

                      I'm surprised they just opened a valve and dumped it into a trough, then by gravity to a buried tank.

                      I'm thinking of all the contamination of dirt, grit, leaves etc. that would find its way into the trough, unless they fully covered the trough when not in use. Maybe over time the process varied at larger, main line facilities? Any info?
                      Home of the HOn3 North Coast Railroad, along the shores of Lake Ontario.

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                      • #12
                        I bet you could find sites of oil fueling locations using unloading troughs by a modern day EPA map. Size of unloading lines depends on the volume of oil to be handled. The large RR oil fuel sites appear to be designed to empty several tank cars at a time within a few hours. A local oil dealer might choose just enough capacity to empty a single tank car in a day or two. Avoiding demurrage issues was one reason few tank cars were owned by RRs.
                        James

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by desertdrover View Post
                          Steve, did you get and read that PDF?????
                          Thanks Lou..the wife printed them off for me .All kinds of info. Thank you

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