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  • #16
    Number three.

    It seems more balanced with the taller building to the left. I like number 1 best - but as has been pointed out, it has no cargo doors.

    Cheers, Mark.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by George_D View Post
      . The red building doesn't have any cargo doors, while it looks like the other two do.

      George
      Correct George. Since there isn't a siding at that specific point. I figured if it goes there, it wouldn't need loading doors. As it is behind the switches. That was one consideration as to why it might work in that position. Elsewhere,it would need a loading dock and doors to make sense.
      Home of the HOn3 North Coast Railroad, along the shores of Lake Ontario.

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      • #18
        Hi David, I'm with Louis & Tyson on this. I also like option #2 the best.

        Greg

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        • #19
          Originally posted by john_holt View Post
          I only see 2 photos at the bottom of the post. One of them has a number 1 in blue box. No photos at the option location.

          Same goes for me on this post made (I have Windows 10 Computer)

          Rich

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          • #20
            Totally weird. Rich do you see the pictures that were reloaded?
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            • #21
              #2 with the red building in the middle, buts that's only because it doesn't look right to me to have a loading door next to a turnout . Change the track arrangement and I might have to change my opinion.

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              • #22
                I like option 2, the rooflines are opposite the hill on the backdrop.

                -Cody

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                • #23
                  GeeTee, I can assure there won't be any major change in the track at that point. Might be able to though a turnout by the make house behind the silos and rework the nature of the red building to add loading doors.

                  .One of the issues is how to fill that area without having a structure in obvious need of rail service at that point or get a siding to that point.

                  Hmmm.

                  Stat tuned for "option 5"

                  Last edited by David_J_Buchholz; 11-07-2021, 10:18 PM.
                  Home of the HOn3 North Coast Railroad, along the shores of Lake Ontario.

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                  • #24
                    I agree with Michael, #3. The problem with #1 is that very tall building with nothing to the left looks like it's just hanging out there, kinda like a skyscraper next to a corn field :-) But try overlapping two of the buildings, to see if you think that looks better/adds depth.

                    dave
                    Modeling 1890s (because the voices in my head told me to)

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                    • #25
                      Sometimes I am amazed by what I discover. Tonight I discovered taking pictures works much better when I put the memory card back into the camera.

                      I mentioned in response to GeeTee about making no major track alignment changes. I played with the idea of putting in a turnout at the left edge of the malting house (tall tan structure to the right) Also it would not be big deal at this point in planning to alter the red structure to add a loading door.

                      Here's two pictures for consideration of "option 5". It takes what Mike pointed out about the spacing looking to regimented (even) and the lack of usefulness of the red building without loading doors. the additional trackage also adds storage space which in is short supply in the harbor area.

                      Nothing has been decided yet, so your opinions matter. Please post them up.
                      Let me know if you are unable to see TWO pictures below.




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                      Last edited by David_J_Buchholz; 11-08-2021, 12:12 AM.
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                      • #26
                        In your latest post I see 2 pictures. In front of the leftmost building, there are two spurs, implying bridge plates must be used to reach boxcars on the closer track. There isn't clearance to spot a boxcar in front of the taller part of the red building. I don't think the rearmost track can really be considered 'storage' if it's actually a customer siding.

                        In your earlier pictures, you're putting buildings with loading doors behind turnouts. This would be awkward for the customers, as before forklifts it was difficult to get a boxcar full or empty in less than 8-12 hours. RRs charge 'demurrage' for cars that sit at a customer's spur too long. In 1939 2 free days were allowed for loading or unloading. In 1975 it changed to 1 free day to load, the Federal Register doesn't mention changes to unloading time..
                        James

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                        • jbvb
                          #26.1
                          jbvb commented
                          11-08-2021, 08:40 AM
                          Editing a comment
                          Here's the Federal Register link:
                          https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...es-and-charges
                          Search the page for "1910" to find the historical background. There is probably a lot more on demurrage out there, but Google doesn't seem to think it's interesting to people they want to show ads to.
                      • #27
                        Jbvb, the buildings are simply propped up for illustrative intent. Final clearance will not be an issue later, but thanks for bringing up that point to remember. As mentioned nothing is finalized, nor nailed down. Just getting opinions and ideas from fellow modelers as this point.

                        The track closest to the buildings would be the service track for (un) loading. The track farther away but parallel, is what I would consider as "the storage track"
                        Last edited by David_J_Buchholz; 11-08-2021, 07:46 PM.
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                        • #28
                          David,

                          That looks better and makes more sense.

                          Here are some suggestions to consider. Shorten the new siding from what you've mocked up so that it runs in front of the red and center gray buildings only. Angle it and the buildings a little as it runs toward the backdrop. Move the leftmost gray building out to the siding that currently exists. The new siding would run towards the side of the leftmost building.

                          That very short spur in the center: I'd remove it unless it has a clear purpose. Right now it does not look realistic.

                          Mike
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                          Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced. James Baldwin

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                          • #29
                            Center spur was intended for switcher engine storage, watertower and coal, maybe a control tower, or just a few boxcars, being that storage space is so limited everywhere.

                            Thanks for the ideas.
                            Home of the HOn3 North Coast Railroad, along the shores of Lake Ontario.

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                            • #30
                              I like option #5 better. No reason other than it looks better than the 1 thru 4.

                              Bernd
                              New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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