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  • Layout Planning Questions (14 X 18 Layout)

    Hello

    I am in the paper planning stages of my 14X18 layout and would like to have some input on minimum radius.

    I plan on running geared locos on my branch line and need to know what radius works best and what turnouts work?

    On the mainline I would like to run up to a K-27 along with Moguls and C-16s. What radius and turnouts would work best for these engines?

    Any help would be most appreciated.

    JIM

  • #2
    Jim,

    You will need at least a 36" and #6 for the K-27. It will probably take a smaller radius but with a trailing truck it won't look good. The moguls and C-16 will take an 18" and #4's but look better on at least a 22". The shay will take a 15" but functions better on an 18". What a locomotive will get around and what it looks good on are usually two different things.

    Hope that helps.

    Harold

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    • #3
      Thank you Harold

      This is what I needed to hear. Not what will work but what looks good.

      I will have to see what I can get in my alloted space. If I cant do a suitable radius for the K-27 I may just drop it from my roster and go with the C-16s and down for the mainline.


      JIM

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      • #4
        Jim,

        I'll second Harold's comments on this. I'm planning a 10x20 l shaped layout for construction in late '05 or '06, and I'm going with a min radius of 45". I think the 'raduis' of a #6 is somewhere around 43". A good rule of thumb is to go as big as you can on the radius, things will look and probably rin better too.
        Cheers,

        Steve

        San Juan Lumber Company

        Niagara Frontier Traction Company

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        • #5
          Jim,

          If you look at how few narrow gauge railroads had trailing truck locomotives. The Colorado roads in certain areas and the East Broad Top, most of the roads used 2-6-0, 2-8-0, and 4-4-0 because of right-of-way restrictions. Even the 4-6-0 was limited in use because of radius problems.

          Hope that helps

          Harold

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          • #6
            Ok I had a chance to work on some designs for the mainline. I think 28" radius is about as big as I can go and still be comfortable with my design. That rules out the K-27 but thats ok. The C-16 and Moguls will work just fine. I will think on it some more and then move on to the branch lines.

            Thanks for your input so far.

            JIM

            ps; I will try to post the design as soon as I can so you all can point out any obvious problems. I am trying to build it so it will have a continues route and can be operated as a point to point.

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            • #7
              I need some information if you all don't mind.

              What track center to center dimension should I hold?

              How long is the BLI C-16 with the tender?


              Thanks

              JIM

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              • #8
                Jim,

                Use 3" center to center, and the C-16 is 12-1/2 inches coupler to coupler.

                Hope that helps

                Harold

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                • #9
                  Thats just what I needed Harold. Thank you.

                  JIM

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                  • #10

                    Jim,

                    Thanks for asking these questions. I am in the planning stages too & am wondering what size locos to stick with. I have even wondered if a C-16 would be too large. I will have mainly a backwoods logging line, which will be servicing a small town as well.

                    Harold & Steve,

                    Thanks for your input. This has been a big help to me too.

                    Paul

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                    • #11
                      Hello Paul

                      Feel free to jump in and ask any questions you have. This is how we all can learn.

                      What size layout are you planning?

                      JIM

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                      • #12

                        Jim,

                        I am just getting started. I would like to first build a 30" X 48" diorama/module. Then turn it into 8’ then eventually 12’. Who knows from there??!! I do not have a layout room yet. Just a 11’ x 12’ spare bedroom. (No basements in my part of TN!) I am still very active in a HO club & HO modular club in Nashville. So I will be modeling in HO as well.

                        Having said that, I may scrap my original plan & build a 4x8 layout like Harold has done. I am still in the planning stages. I am acquiring some structures & some rolling stock right now.

                        Paul

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                        • #13
                          The modular construction plan is very good if well thought out in the beginning. Bob Lawson builds entire railroads this way with great success. The rairoad is easy to transport in small sections if needed and several key portions can be rearranged to keep things from getting boring. His Southern Pacific layout was on the cover of a recent MR issue. Hell of a nice guy, too. By building the railroad in small sections, your focus is always on that one part. Your attention doesn't get scattered around the layout as progress continues. It's like you always have a complete railroad, only with another section in the works. I should have done that with mine. I'm all over the basement right now with a never ending list of incomplete areas. I'll get them done okay, but I think the detail suffers when doing big things all at once. You guys have this happen too?

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                          • #14
                            I agree about the modular approach. I will be taking the same approach as you Paul. I want to hand-lay some track and see if I can do it well enough to do most of it that way.[:-idea]

                            I was working on an HO layout years ago and did it modular and it came in very handy when it came time to move it. It also came in handy when I needed to work in detail on one module and couldn't get to the electrical work underneath. I just pulled the thing out and turned it over to do the work.

                            In my planning I plan the whole layout and then decide how to break it up into modules. Then I build the tables for each module so I know that they will fit. Then I can work on the track for just the one module or go on to more as I want to.

                            JIM

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                            • #15
                              Oh ya. Did I mention I will need to live well past 100 to get this layout up and running.[:-bouncy][}][:-jump2]

                              JIM

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