EMD

[tankertoad70]

I hear rumblings that GM wants to divest itself of EMD and is looking for potential buyers. Anyone know any more about this?? I personally hate to see it happen as I have always liked the looks of the EMD lokies. I still 'pant' whenever I see SD7s and 9s. I loved the look of those puppies runnin' long hood forward on the GN.



Don in Orygun City

[PowerEngineer]

I haven't heard anything about that!!!! It doesn't surpise me though. Maybe GE will take them over like Boeing took over MD? On second thought, I doubt it. When it comes to locomotives: GE is no Boeing!!!!

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[AllenGaspers]

A few years ago GM said it was going to get out of the locomotive business, then all of a sudden they have the SD90MAC. I just can't believe that if you are far and away the number one locomotive builder, why would you want to get out?

[tankertoad70]

I found the news bit about potential EMD sale on the Trains website. However, the announcement came from one of GMs Canadian auto types, so it may not be entirely factual.

On another note, I just found out that CSX is in the process of sending all their AC6000's back to GE to be re-engined with a 4400HP FDL.

My how rapidly things are happening.



Don in Orygun City

[AllenGaspers]

There are companies out there that build engines bigger than 6000hp, (CAT has one at 13,600hp) so why do EMD and GE have so much trouble?

I realize that it is a new engine and all, but this much trouble?

Wasn't the 6000hp GE designed by Deutz? They should know what they are doing.

[Cowcatcher]

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I haven't heard anything about that!!!! It doesn't surpise me though. Maybe GE will take them over like Boeing took over MD? On second thought, I doubt it. When it comes to locomotives: GE is no Boeing!!!!

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Many of us here in Washington State would say the Boeing is not Boeing anymore either.

Dave Koch

[Edmund]

I was wondering if EMD has a future? I saw the Oct Trains article on the 265H. It says that EMD is serious but I wonder if they can survive? Or if they want too? Anyone heard anything on them?

[rush2ny]

They just took 2 of the biggest orders ever for a locomotive manufacturer, one of them over in Europe where they have a strong influence as well. I have heard rumors as well but doing as good a business as they are, I doubt them.

Russ

[Edmund]

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They just took 2 of the biggest orders ever for a locomotive manufacturer, one of them over in Europe where they have a strong influence as well. I have heard rumors as well but doing as good a business as they are, I doubt them.

Russ

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Russ if I may ask when were these orders? I haven't heard anything about new orders. Thanks

Ted

[rush2ny]

They aren't new orders per se but they have to make good on all 1000 units of SD70MACs for Union Pacific as well as a bunch of SD90's.

Over on the European front, EMD has established a permanent headquarters over there. Their dual cab JT42CWR has been certified for use in Europe as of last year and the orders have been coming in. They have already delivered almost 40 units to various countries.

Now, having just set up a permanent headquarter and broken into the european market, I doubt that if they will stop building locomotives any time soon.

Don't expect to see any new road switchers any time soon though!

Russ

[slimjim]

The first 1000 units to UP are just about a done deal. They are now working on a 100+ more. Also they are SD70M's not MAC's

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They aren't new orders per se but they have to make good on all 1000 units of SD70MACs for Union Pacific as well as a bunch of SD90's.

Russ

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Jim Harrawood

Utah Rails

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[jimfitch]

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The first 1000 units to UP are just about a done deal. They are now working on a 100+ more. Also they are SD70M's not MAC's

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They aren't new orders per se but they have to make good on all 1000 units of SD70MACs for Union Pacific as well as a bunch of SD90's.

Russ

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Jim Harrawood

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Good catch Jim, I was about to point that out myself. It appears that AC loco's are not turning out to be the panacea that it firt looked like. OTOH, a loco can run all day at speedst that would melt a DC traction motor, but they must be too mantenence intensive to justify running them on a broad basis. Thus the 1000 loco order for the SD70s from UP - which is a step back to good old conventional diesel electric technology.

[slimjim]

They bought the SD70M's to replace the old SD40 types and get the AC types hauling coal. Here in Utah, I have never seen a SD70M on a coal train. UP still has new AC types being delivered.

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Good catch Jim, I was about to point that out myself. It appears that AC loco's are not turning out to be the panacea that it firt looked like. OTOH, a loco can run all day at speedst that would melt a DC traction motor, but they must be too mantenence intensive to justify running them on a broad basis. Thus the 1000 loco order for the SD70s from UP - which is a step back to good old conventional diesel electric technology.

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Jim Harrawood

Utah Rails

[Edmund]

Now that EMD has just about completed the 1100+ unit sale for UP, will any other U.S. railroad buy EMD locomotives? Was this the last U.S. sale for EMD?

I have heard that some at GE don't consider EMD competion now. This on another forum. Also I have read that CSX, BNSF, NS are sticking with GE. Of course some of this may not be true. You know forums are not completly reliable.

Ted