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  • tankertoad70
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    Jim, I just heard about that Norfolk Southern order and it was surprising to hear, with NS's committment to GEs lately. I did a bit of research, and EMD does have a sizeable stake in the European market. So, I reckon they 'aint dead yet', it's just that today's lokie market is pretty well converted over to 'new' stuff.



    Don in 'Orygun' City

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  • slimjim
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    On to other goodies with the SD70M's. NS has ordered 50 SD70M's. Also the latest UP models, 51XX's will have a new style cab.

    Jim Harrawood

    Utah Rails

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  • jimfitch
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    They bought the SD70M's to replace the old SD40 types and get the AC types hauling coal. Here in Utah, I have never seen a SD70M on a coal train. UP still has new AC types being delivered.


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    Good catch Jim, I was about to point that out myself. It appears that AC loco's are not turning out to be the panacea that it firt looked like. OTOH, a loco can run all day at speedst that would melt a DC traction motor, but they must be too mantenence intensive to justify running them on a broad basis. Thus the 1000 loco order for the SD70s from UP - which is a step back to good old conventional diesel electric technology.



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    Jim, That has been my understanding of the situation also, hence the slow speed without melting the traction motors on coal trains. At least my understanding has been that coal isn't as time sensitive, so the RRs don't mind if a coal train has to climb some grades at 10 mph or less, which might melt a DC traction motor if they were in to slow too long.

    I did get the impression in the RR press magazines for a while that AC might catch on to a wider extent and the the 1000 unit purchase by UP represented a shift back in thinking. At least I seemed to read that in the articles. I realize they are replacing older DC units like SD40-2s and GE units.

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  • Edmund
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    Now that EMD has just about completed the 1100+ unit sale for UP, will any other U.S. railroad buy EMD locomotives? Was this the last U.S. sale for EMD?

    I have heard that some at GE don't consider EMD competion now. This on another forum. Also I have read that CSX, BNSF, NS are sticking with GE. Of course some of this may not be true. You know forums are not completly reliable.

    Ted

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  • slimjim
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    They bought the SD70M's to replace the old SD40 types and get the AC types hauling coal. Here in Utah, I have never seen a SD70M on a coal train. UP still has new AC types being delivered.

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    Good catch Jim, I was about to point that out myself. It appears that AC loco's are not turning out to be the panacea that it firt looked like. OTOH, a loco can run all day at speedst that would melt a DC traction motor, but they must be too mantenence intensive to justify running them on a broad basis. Thus the 1000 loco order for the SD70s from UP - which is a step back to good old conventional diesel electric technology.



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    Jim Harrawood

    Utah Rails

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  • jimfitch
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    The first 1000 units to UP are just about a done deal. They are now working on a 100+ more. Also they are SD70M's not MAC's


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    They aren't new orders per se but they have to make good on all 1000 units of SD70MACs for Union Pacific as well as a bunch of SD90's.

    Russ



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    Jim Harrawood

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    Good catch Jim, I was about to point that out myself. It appears that AC loco's are not turning out to be the panacea that it firt looked like. OTOH, a loco can run all day at speedst that would melt a DC traction motor, but they must be too mantenence intensive to justify running them on a broad basis. Thus the 1000 loco order for the SD70s from UP - which is a step back to good old conventional diesel electric technology.

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  • Yellow_signal
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  • slimjim
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    The first 1000 units to UP are just about a done deal. They are now working on a 100+ more. Also they are SD70M's not MAC's

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    They aren't new orders per se but they have to make good on all 1000 units of SD70MACs for Union Pacific as well as a bunch of SD90's.

    Russ



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    Jim Harrawood

    Utah Rails

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  • rush2ny
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    They aren't new orders per se but they have to make good on all 1000 units of SD70MACs for Union Pacific as well as a bunch of SD90's.

    Over on the European front, EMD has established a permanent headquarters over there. Their dual cab JT42CWR has been certified for use in Europe as of last year and the orders have been coming in. They have already delivered almost 40 units to various countries.

    Now, having just set up a permanent headquarter and broken into the european market, I doubt that if they will stop building locomotives any time soon.

    Don't expect to see any new road switchers any time soon though!

    Russ

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  • Edmund
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    They just took 2 of the biggest orders ever for a locomotive manufacturer, one of them over in Europe where they have a strong influence as well. I have heard rumors as well but doing as good a business as they are, I doubt them.


    Russ



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    Russ if I may ask when were these orders? I haven't heard anything about new orders. Thanks

    Ted

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  • rush2ny
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    They just took 2 of the biggest orders ever for a locomotive manufacturer, one of them over in Europe where they have a strong influence as well. I have heard rumors as well but doing as good a business as they are, I doubt them.

    Russ

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  • Edmund
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    I was wondering if EMD has a future? I saw the Oct Trains article on the 265H. It says that EMD is serious but I wonder if they can survive? Or if they want too? Anyone heard anything on them?

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  • Cowcatcher
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    I haven't heard anything about that!!!! It doesn't surpise me though. Maybe GE will take them over like Boeing took over MD? On second thought, I doubt it. When it comes to locomotives: GE is no Boeing!!!!


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    Many of us here in Washington State would say the Boeing is not Boeing anymore either.

    Dave Koch


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  • AllenGaspers
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    There are companies out there that build engines bigger than 6000hp, (CAT has one at 13,600hp) so why do EMD and GE have so much trouble?

    I realize that it is a new engine and all, but this much trouble?

    Wasn't the 6000hp GE designed by Deutz? They should know what they are doing.

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  • tankertoad70
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    I found the news bit about potential EMD sale on the Trains website. However, the announcement came from one of GMs Canadian auto types, so it may not be entirely factual.

    On another note, I just found out that CSX is in the process of sending all their AC6000's back to GE to be re-engined with a 4400HP FDL.

    My how rapidly things are happening.



    Don in Orygun City

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