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Was this a tweaked GP-9 with a low nose? Or was this a redesign, to usher in the low nose era?
Tom aka papa smurf in NH
Tom aka papa smurf in NH
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From what I understand the GP8's and GP10's are rebuilds of GP7's and GP9's. The program started in the mid 70's.
Jim Harrawood
Utah Rails
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Yep, the GP10 was a product of the ICs Paducah Shops. GP7s were converted to GP8s, and GP9s were converted to GP10s. They even produced a critter called the GP11. Kalmbach's Diesel Spotters guide has some good info on these animals. It seems as though there was a time when the IC bought up every Geep 7 and 9 available and ran 'em through their rebuild process.
Don in Oregon City
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This was also the same time that EMD started making the GP15-1's. They used GP7 & 9 trade-ins.
Jim Harrawood
Utah Rails
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Tom,Indeed EMD did make low nose GP9s,these units was built for Phelps-Dodge mining (17 units).These was the very frist low nose locomotives built by EMD..The reason Phelps-Dodge wanted low noses on their GP9s was the engineer could look back over his train durning loading operations... Also,Southern Pacific GP9 #3726 was built with a low nose.This was a late model GP9.The low noses started showing up on GP9s,long before any of the rebuild programs.The high short hood would remain a option for quite some time to come..
brakie
Edited by - brakie on 05/17/2002 17:40:00
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You can also visually spot the difference between an early EMD factory low nose (GP9, GP18 & GP20) and an rebuilder's low nose by the slope on the nose.
EMD's factory nose had a definite slope from back to front, whereas non-factory low noses where flat (no slope) from back to front.
Dan Raitz
Escondido, CA
Dan
Happiness begins with dessert.
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Thanks for remindin' us of that Dan. One thing I always thought particularly intriguing about the Paducah rebuilds is the 'frog eye' headlight mounted in the low nose of many of the GP8s. It would be kinda neat if some manufacturer would offer a generic rebuild for us to 'go after' and customize.
Don in Oregon City• CEO: WISHRAM, OREGON & WESTERNid=blue>
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Don,Atlas,Athearn,and P2K all have the drive,hand rails,trucks,all they would need to do is make the shell.How hard could that be???
brakie
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Brakie,
I been kinda hopin' that RPP might jump into the fray with a shell for us. They done did it with the CF7, in two versions, so why not a Geep??
Don in Oregon City• CEO: WISHRAM, OREGON & WESTERNid=blue>
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VERY GRATEFUL FOR GREAT INFO FOLKS!
QUESTION! To model a B&M GP-18 as easily as possible and have a reasonable copy[am NOT 'rivet counter'], How do I proceed?
Tom aka papa smurf in NH
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Tom,
I don't know if you were aware of it, but P2K has a nice GP18 on the market and you still might be able to acquire an original release from them which are much less expensive than the newer release will be. About 12 years ago, I kitbashed an NP GP18 out of an AHM shell and Athearn works. Lot's of work it was, but enjoyable results. Were the BM 18s low noses??
Don in Oregon City• CEO: WISHRAM, OREGON & WESTERNid=blue>
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Don:
Find a Life-Like Proto-2000 GP18 and go from there.
Dan Raitz
Escondido, CA
Dan
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HI DON! It's been a LONG time since we 'talked' together!
Yes, the B&M GP-18 was low nose and if the bulge at top center of long hood on r.h. side means it had dynamic brakes; it had. I obtained all this info from FALLEN FLAGS RAILROAD PHOTOS. For anyone looking for their e-mail address, check on my post in OFF-TOPIC, page 6.
Tom aka papa smurf in NH
Edited by - papasmurf37 on 05/20/2002 19:11:36
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