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    Gotta be more Espee fans than me!?! Whar are ya?

  • #2
    Hey Bucks,

    You know how I'm interested in McRRR well guess what my other railroad interest is. I thought this was mainly a 'modern SP' site so havent paid much attention till now.

    I'm into the pre red/grey scheme as it fits in with my mid'50s logging line, the SP is the only outlet for it. I have a P2K SD-7, GP-9 (Cotton Belt)both in Black Widow scheme and a GE70 tonner with Tiger Stripes. I plan to do 1 of my DRS 6-6-1500 in the Tiger Stripe scheme and a Stewart F-3. Dont think SP had them but it's too nice to get rid of.

    Russ

    Moss Lake Lumber Co.
    Russ

    Moss Lake Lumber Co.

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    • #3
      Russ ol' pal, are you going to do the other DRS 6-6-15 as McCloud River #28? (Just wonderin') BTW that's another cool thing about the McRRR, you get to model the Espee on the west end and the GN,WP,BN,BNSF et al on the east end! (Depending on the era)

      Edited by - Bucks Owin on 05/01/2002 12:00:50

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      • #4
        When I bought them, all of the Baldwins were destined for McRRR until the decal thing. It may get there yet but with the SP playing a more active roll I may do them in SP and do an RS-12 and S-12 in McRRR. I may do both RS-12s in McRRR if I get a Stewart DRS for the logging fleet.

        Russ

        Moss Lake Lumber Co.

        Edited by - mosslake on 05/01/2002 16:25:44
        Russ

        Moss Lake Lumber Co.

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        • #5
          Yeah, I'm buying a lot of Espee too. So much that I'm contemplating a "Cantara Loop" as well as the Mt Shasta interchange with the McCloud!

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          • #6
            Did SP run F3s ?? I have a Stewart F3 with the high fans.

            Russ

            Moss Lake Lumber Co.
            Russ

            Moss Lake Lumber Co.

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            • #7
              Sorry to take so long to check out the F-3s. The answer is yes, at least 40 ABBA sets!! Black Widow paint scheme is appropriate!



              Edited by - bucks owin on 05/07/2002 11:01:39

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              • #8
                About those F3s, SP took delevery of them between 1947 and 1949, but in 1949, all of them were transfered to the Texas and New Orleans because of locomotive shortages. They were eventually returned to the SP, but were rebuilt, both internally and externally into F9ms. Those rebuilds began in 1954 and continued until 1959. So there's only about a 12 year stretch where the F3s existed as F3s. F9ms are externally significantly different than F3s.

                Of course this isn't stopping me from having an ABBA set of the Athearn SP F3s on my layout set in 1967!

                Edited by - 9thSTModesto on 05/07/2002 12:06:15

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the info Bucks and 9thSTModesto. I think I'll have an F3 in 1959 too.

                  Russ

                  Moss Lake Lumber Co.
                  Russ

                  Moss Lake Lumber Co.

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                  • #10
                    If'n I am not mistaken, Espee at one time considered rebuilding its 'Fs' into F20s. I have a book published back around 1972-73 timeframe that talks of Espee Fs. The advent of the GP20 killed the F20 thoughts. The book was published by the original group out of the Bay Area that published Pacific News.

                    Don in Oregon City

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                    • #11
                      I'd heard somewhere that the Athearn bay window caboose is based on an SP class. Is this true? I think it is a welded car which will make it a late model.

                      Russ

                      Moss Lake Lumber Co.
                      Russ

                      Moss Lake Lumber Co.

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                      • #12
                        ^^^

                        The Athearn Bay Window is indeed based on an SP caboose, the C-40-4 class. The one drawback, and one that I keep hoping that Athearn will fix is that the roof is about 6" too short on either end. This doesn't sound like much, but in order to do an accurate representation of the end railings, instead of the U-shaped wire that Athearn provides, you have to extend the roof out, or the railing will be at a slight, but noticable angle to the body.

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                        • #13
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                          ^^^

                          The Athearn Bay Window is indeed based on an SP caboose, the C-40-4 class. The one drawback, and one that I keep hoping that Athearn will fix is that the roof is about 6" too short on either end. This doesn't sound like much, but in order to do an accurate representation of the end railings, instead of the U-shaped wire that Athearn provides, you have to extend the roof out, or the railing will be at a slight, but noticable angle to the body.



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                          Unfortunately, I kind of doubt that Athearn will retool the old bay window. Otherwise a decent model and I have one of course!

                          When I was 14 years old, I got an Athearn SP SD45 and SP bay window caboose and I was in heaven! I did notice that the nose looked fat at that tender age, and I later learned it was fat and the whole hood is too wide! That is something else Athearn should fix if they were smart! But my KATO SD45 will fill in nicely instead. I hope KATO does more of them since one or two more, along with some Rio Grande SD45's would be the cat's meow!

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                          • #14
                            oh, by the way, if anyone wonders why I am here a fair bit, it is because the SP was my first love before the Rio Grande drew me in. But first loves are always special and fondly remembered. As such, and also because the Rio Grande hauled alot of SP freight in the 80s, I am making a point of adding alot of SP freight to my roster. Locos also pooled over the Rio Grande so I can run a few of them too.

                            Hopefully those SD45T-2's I've heard rumors about will materialize in year or so!

                            BTW, back to cabooses, are the Walthers bay windows anything near to the SP prototype?

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                            • #15
                              ^^^

                              I pretty sure that it's not. The Walther's is based on an International prototype that had a rounded-off bay window, as opposed to the SP (and WP) more squared-off type. SP did have several caboose classes built by International, but the bay on the Walthers Cab doesn't look quite right. However, it might be possible to transplant the window from an Athearn car to the Walthers car, or the ends from a Walthers car to an Athearn and come up with a pretty reasonable model.

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