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  • Trying To Identify A Tank Car

    I am planning on doing shelf layouts of the Toms River, NJ branch of the CNJ.

    I came across some arial photos from 1939. I enlarged some scenes to try to identify some of the boxcars and hoppers.

    The two pictures are at the New Jersey Pulverizing Company (sand plant).

    The hoppers seem to be Reading HTjr cars. Is the tank car a converted ACF car?

    Looks like hatches on either side of the dome, possibly modifications to each end of tank as well?.

    If anyone has more info, feel free to chime in.

    Thanks,

    Scott





  • #2
    Vinegar?
    ..........
    Karl Scribner-Curmudgeon

    Cedar Swamp
    SW of Manistique, MI

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    • #3
      The tank appears to have a larger volume than 10,000 gallon tanks of that era - longer and larger diameter. Would they have been shipping or receiving a compressed gas or low-density hydrocarbon solvent? Not carbon tetrachloride, as that's denser than water. Maybe gasoline, though that's only about 75% of water's density.
      James

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      • #4
        quote:


        Originally posted by jbvb


        The tank appears to have a larger volume than 10,000 gallon tanks of that era - longer and larger diameter. Would they have been shipping or receiving a compressed gas or low-density hydrocarbon solvent? Not carbon tetrachloride, as that's denser than water. Maybe gasoline, though that's only about 75% of water's density.


        jbvb,

        General American made some 12,000-12,500 Gal., 41' to 42' tank car in the early 30s.

        All these cars are at a sand plant. I know of some other railroads that converted tank cars to hoppers, but this one is not like those.

        Here is one on the McCloud RR.




        This is a sketch of what I think the car, on the CNJ line, might look like.



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        • #5
          Kerosene? Wonder if those are some kind of 'pop off' vents. Jerry, (TRAINS1941) lives near Tom's River, and being as old as he is,( }probably knows exactly what it is.


          Jim
          Take the red pill

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          • #6
            Jim,

            Small world! I grew up in Toms River. My mom worked as a dispatcher at New Jersey Pulverizing Co. (the sand plant where the cars are located.

            I wonder if Amy dad knows Jerry?

            Scott

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            • #7
              Scott, It looks like the McCloud R.R. may have served the Siskiyou Brew Works. Might be a Beer car. (George D) would be a possible source of knowledge on that. Probably one of the best experts on the Siskiyou is Dr. Bruce Chubb up in Grand Rapids, Mi. He has an extensive knowledge of that Pacific Northwest Railroading. Just some off the top of my head thoughts.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC_Giz852U

              Jim
              Take the red pill

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              • #8
                Jim,

                I thought the McCloud car was used for sand, here is a link to an article that shows the converted tank car.

                https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Ggbx18OKF92CI-

                The McCloud car was what I came across trying to find out information on the tank car in question.

                I have looked at the equipment rosters for several of the CNJ interchange railroads, but no luck identifying the mystery tank car.

                Thanks for your input,

                Scott

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                • #9
                  Scott,

                  "converted" from what was the cargo, is the question. What was the original purpose? That might lead back to the CNJ mystery car.

                  Jim
                  Take the red pill

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                  • #10
                    Jim,

                    Good point! I had not thought of that approach.

                    Thanks,

                    Scott

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                    • #11
                      quote:


                      I thought the McCloud car was used for sand, here is a link to an article that shows the converted tank car.


                      The one in question might just another sand car where they left the main center dome on vs. the work to remove it.

                      Either way, tank car converted for sand is a fun idea for the future!
                      In a time like ours seemings and portents signify. Ours is a generation when dogs howl and the skin crawls on the skull with its beast's foreboding.

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                      • #12
                        mwbpequod,

                        I was hoping someone might have information, such as drawings or ORER details. I am always into research.

                        Scott

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                        • #13
                          Wahoo!

                          I finally found information regarding this car in the April 2nd, 1932 edition of the Railway Age journal.

                          It is the Precursor to the big rectangular Dry Flow cars.

                          The car is a GATX "Dry Flow" tank car. It is a 40'

                          tank with six manways to load, and a chain driven conveyor to unload. The unloading chute is center bottom.

                          The dome houses the electric motor and chain drive.

                          Scott


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                          • #14
                            We're going to start calling you Scott.com! Tenacious researcher, well done.

                            Jim
                            Take the red pill

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                            • #15
                              Tenacious researcher~,

                              Wow, I'm always looking for rare and unusual one of a kind type railroad designs to collect and inspire me.

                              I've been doing some research on these photos myself with little result, these latest pics are a cool goldmine.

                              I'm learning a lot with this thread and will eagerly be watching what develops here!

                              Thanx Thom...[:-bulb]

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