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  • #31
    All four (4) logging Disconnect Log Cars are now completed, and ready for making a rooster pole to connect two of the Log cars together under the disc load.




    Louis L&R Western Railroad
    Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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    • #32
      Below are just a few pictures of some Rooster Poles, and what they look like, by various companies like SierraWest, Accucraft and Ozark Miniatures. They usually come as link and pin types, however, I’m making my compatible Kadee knuckle types like the second picture. Using Kadee couplers on the ends of the pole. Build to follow.






      Louis L&R Western Railroad
      Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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      • #33
        As said before, the next build for this project was to make a Rooster Pole. These poles are called "roosters" in the logging vernacular. They were made with varying lengths, and were used both to join the log disconnects under the logs, and to join sets of logs/disconnects to each other, especially if the logs extended out over the ends of the log disconnects enough to preclude coupling the link and pins, or couplers. They were also used to connect cars to locomotives, skeleton cars to disconnect sets, and just about anywhere a longer coupler reach was needed. They were even used to connect link and pin to knuckle couplers where the knuckle was slotted and drilled to accept link and pin mating’s. That was the amazing thing about loggers, they were always coming up with useful ideas, and being creative/inventive people.

        To start the rooster pole, I have to modify two Kadee #5 couplers to work with the adjoining disconnects. Following along with the below pictures of the coupler the trip pin had to be mounted/changed "inverted", and bent down over the top of the log disconnect couplers. This way the pins rest on top of the adjacent coupler, and doesn't allow the rooster pole to "drop" through the Kadee couplers on the Logging trucks.

        To start, I straightened the trip pin because I had to pull out the coupler trip pin so the knurl pattern on end of trip pin would be removed from the coupler, and inserted from the opposite end. Once the pin was swapped over to the other side of the coupler and inserted back into place, and knurl end was pushed back into coupler, the pin was then bent over flush with the top of the coupler, and clipped off at the front of the coupler face. See picture of the completed modified coupler above the original coupler for the difference/change made. You need to make-up two of these for the rooster pole. Next I cut off the ends of the couplers, drilled a hole into the ends of a stripwood beam, and ACC glued the couplers into these holes, making-up the rooster pole. Grandt Line HO NBW’s were used, and glued onto the beam to appear as if the couplers were bolted into place.

        Note the finished rooster pole hooked up to the log disconnects, see the inverted trip pin mounting. This holds the couplers up on the logging trucks Kadee couplers. Note that the couplers are now good for mating with Kadee couplers, but as stated before, the trip pin had to be mounted/changed "inverted", and bent down over the top of the couplers. This way the pins rest on top of the adjacent coupler, and doesn't allow the rooster pole to "drop" through the Kadee couplers on the Logging trucks. The last two pictures show the top side detail of the Kadee couplers compatible rooster pole. This rooster pole is in desperate need however of being ruffed up, and a better weathered usage look.








        Louis L&R Western Railroad
        Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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        • #34
          Nice, Louis! You're an amazing guy!

          Stay safe!

          Pete

          in Michigan

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          • #35
            Interesting. Would never have thought of a rooster pole, your model is quite well done.

            It’s taking several looks to decipher what I’m seeing...[:-cyclops]
            Karl Scribner-Curmudgeon

            Cedar Swamp
            SW of Manistique, MI

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            • #36
              I like that rooster pole, Lewis. I have some long Kadees I can sacrifice to make a couple poles for my disconnects.

              George
              Flying is the 2nd greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first.

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              • #37
                Louis, I just "disc"overed your newest project here.

                You must have the largest collection of miniature logging equipment in the world!

                And If not the largest, certainly the most interesting collection that's for sure.

                Your latest addition to your collection is already looking fabulous!

                Greg Shinnie

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                • #38
                  Really neat adaptation of the Kadees for the rooster pole. Another nifty project innovation.

                  I'm all for using what you got, but also wonder if somebody had Kadee shelf couplers laying around (#118 or #119)

                  would the shelf also hold the pole couplers from dropping through the disconnect mounted couplers?


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                  • #39
                    quote:


                    Originally posted by Orionvp17


                    Nice, Louis! You're an amazing guy!

                    Stay safe!

                    Pete

                    in Michigan


                    Thanks Pete!


                    Louis L&R Western Railroad
                    Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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                    • #40
                      quote:


                      Originally posted by k9wrangler


                      Interesting. Would never have thought of a rooster pole, your model is quite well done.

                      It’s taking several looks to decipher what I’m seeing...[:-cyclops]


                      Thank you Karl. And yes, even with pictures to follow, it can be quite confusing to understand. I didn't invent it, so I too had to figure what the article was trying to say.


                      Louis L&R Western Railroad
                      Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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                      • #41
                        quote:


                        Originally posted by George D


                        I like that rooster pole, Lewis. I have some long Kadees I can sacrifice to make a couple poles for my disconnects.

                        George


                        Thanks George, they are a sharp looing item in the logging business. Where we don't use link and pin, this was a good way to use Kadee's to match-up to what we use. [:-cowboy]


                        Louis L&R Western Railroad
                        Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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                        • #42
                          quote:


                          Originally posted by Ensign


                          Louis, I just "disc"overed your newest project here.

                          You must have the largest collection of miniature logging equipment in the world!

                          And If not the largest, certainly the most interesting collection that's for sure.

                          Your latest addition to your collection is already looking fabulous!

                          Greg Shinnie


                          Thank you Greg for your comments. Not sure if I have the largest collection, but I hope I have the most different and interesting logging equipment. That's me, the most unusual equipment, the happier I am. :up:


                          Louis L&R Western Railroad
                          Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by Bill Gill


                            Really neat adaptation of the Kadees for the rooster pole. Another nifty project innovation.

                            I'm all for using what you got, but also wonder if somebody had Kadee shelf couplers laying around (#118 or #119)

                            would the shelf also hold the pole couplers from dropping through the disconnect mounted couplers?


                            Bill, Bill, Bill, you are an amazing guy! I’ve never seen the #118 SF coupler, and now that you bought it to my attention, I’ve looked up what I could about it, and it does seem to simplify making the rooster poles. I’ll have to get a set of the #118 SF couplers and try it out for myself. From what I’ve found about them, the #118 SF double shelf coupler is a totally different type of coupler, and are made to actual prototype scale. The #118 SF coupler looks over scale because it's simply a larger prototype coupler, says Kadee. The coupler is fully functional, and will not slip up or down out of the opposing coupler. The Standard head, #5 coupler, seems to be completely compatible from what I’ve read. However, the actual coupler head of the #118 is larger than the #5 coupler head and, because of the larger head, may have certain mounting limitations.

                            So, I’m going to get a set and give it a try for future rooster poles. If the #118 SF works, it will save a lot on #5 coupler modifications. Thank you very much for your observation and suggestion Bill.


                            Louis L&R Western Railroad
                            Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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                            • #44
                              Missed this thread somehow Louis, nice work!

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                              • #45
                                quote:


                                Originally posted by Tyson Rayles


                                Missed this thread somehow Louis, nice work!


                                Thanks Mike for your comment and posting. Hang in there with me! [:-cowboy] :up:


                                Louis L&R Western Railroad
                                Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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