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    Originally posted by desertdrover


    Oh, that was just my edit to the original post; (Posted - 06/17/2016 : 10:31:46 PM) where I deleted the bit about the oversized picture, and picture I posted of it.

    It was just un-needed information anyway by me after you fixing it.


    Oh. Didn't even notice.

    A bit of an up-date. I tried to wire up the engine with some new wire I had ordered from Jameco. Unfortunately the insulation is to thick and not flexible enough to run up into the boiler. I literally had to tear the engine plastic boiler apart and get the metal weight out. The secrete to getting the weight out is you need to pull the exhaust stack up out of the boiler. It locks the weight in. Once out, I drilled a bigger hole in the weight to run the larger insulation wires through and fought to get it back together, even with a bigger hole. The insulation was just to big making for a stiff movement of the front engine. So back to using the ribbon cable wire. Same wire size but thinner insulation.

    Here's a couple of pictures with my struggle. I soldered the two wires to a piece of brass wire that I fished through the hole in the boiler weight. This hole was used to run the original feed wire from the front engine to the motor. This was before I enlarged the hole.



    I got in as far as the solder joint. Then it became a real battle. I did get it all the way through to the motor eventually, but like I said, way to stiff for free movement of the front engine.



    One thing I forgot to mention was that once I got all the washers on and the valve gear linkage screwed back on to the drivers I had to set the eccentric rod in the proper position. I found a good drawing on the net. With the main rod at 6 o'clock the eccentric rod joint at the drive wheel should be about 1 o'clock.



    At this position it looks like the eccentric rod is actually doing it's job.

    Also gave the auxiliary tender some thought. I have a couple of Mehano old time 34' flatcars that the tanks can be mounted on.



    What do think? Perhaps some better underbody detail wooden tank cradles, wooden walkways and ladders would do nicely I think.

    No more modeling tonight. Eyes are getting tired. More tomorrow I hope.

    Bernd
    New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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    • Hmmm, my eyes are getting tired'. I wonder why'?? I don't know how you do it Bernd'....Even with the best magnifiers, I can't do this kind of minute, intricate, highly detailed technical close up work'..Hats off Bernd'.. id="Comic Sans MS">


      Ted

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        Originally posted by quartergauger48


        Hmmm, my eyes are getting tired'. I wonder why'?? I don't know how you do it Bernd'....Even with the best magnifiers, I can't do this kind of minute, intricate, highly detailed technical close up work'..Hats off Bernd'.. id="Comic Sans MS">


        Thanks Ted. It's not so much the eyes as it's the gray matter wanting to shut down for some sleep.

        Bernd
        New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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          Originally posted by Bernd


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          Originally posted by NP2626


          Bernd, being a Northern Pacific modeler, your doodle bug perked my interest!


          That obs is also available in two other road names. One is Pennsy. I don't recall what the other one was. Also can't remember who the manufacturer was, but the price was $79. I got the ICH for $17. It won't have that paint job on it when I get done with it. It'll be painted in my road colors and name.

          Bernd


          Bernd, Can I ask what "obs" means and also "ICH"? Although the Doodle Bug is painted for the Northern Pacific, I have never seen any photos of N.P. Doodle Bugs like the one you have shown. However, it is very nice model.

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          • I have 28, 30 and 32 gauge wire that one of these should work just fine. I'm thinking that the 30 AWG would to the job just fine. Also, after doctoring up those flatcars they would make a nice choice IMO. It's all in the details, and you got the eye and ideas for that sort of thing.


            Louis L&R Western Railroad
            Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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            • quote:


              Originally posted by NP2626


              Bernd, Can I ask what "obs" means and also "ICH"? Although the Doodle Bug is painted for the Northern Pacific, I have never seen any photos of N.P. Doodle Bugs like the one you have shown. However, it is very nice model.


              The 'Obs" is short of Observation car (railroad lingo). IHC stands for International Hobby Manufacturer. They produced/produce HO scale models. I misspoke about the car being IHC. It's actually produced by AHM, American Hobby Manufacturer.

              As I said I found this on E-bay. The person that probably made it used a term called "freelance" modeling. Specifically not following a prototype, but using prototype plausibility. In other words an engineer could have designed something like this from the ground up. Just because the prototype never built one doesn't mean that it's not plausible. That's the part of the hobby I enjoy the most. Actually coming up with some thing the is plausible as real in model form.

              Bernd
              New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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                Originally posted by desertdrover


                I have 28, 30 and 32 gauge wire that one of these should work just fine. I'm thinking that the 30 AWG would to the job just fine. Also, after doctoring up those flatcars they would make a nice choice IMO. It's all in the details, and you got the eye and ideas for that sort of thing.


                Going to use the ribbon cable wire so I can get the engine back together and running. Perhaps later I'll order some smaller wire.

                Last night while looking through my stash of car kits I came across these.



                They are the log buggies used on the Grasse River Railroad that was a small lumber railroad that operated in the Adirondacks from 1915 to 1957. So I can stay with a New York lumbering theme.

                Here's what they look like.



                And with the tanks on them.



                Now I have a reason to shorten the tanks and get rid of that large dome. The second idea is to have two tanks, one for oil and one for water which can be hooked to the engine if it needs to go a long distance between runs to the lumber camps or it can run just be it's self doing switching chores. I know, it isn't prototypical. Hey it's my lumber railroad. [:-clown]

                I'm not going to use these case metal frames. I was thinking of making a master and doing some resin castings of the frame. That's still up in the air for now.

                Ok, back to some 1:1 work. It's hot outside and nice and cool in the basement so a bit of basement clean up is on the agenda for this afternoon. May get back to the engine toward the evening.

                Bernd
                New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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                • After finishing up rearranging some items in the basement I worked on the engine again. I think I found the solution for running the wires back to the motor from the wheels. I soldered together the wire from the front engine and the rear engine to one wire per side and then ran that through the boiler to the motor.



                  Side view.



                  Got her back together and did a test run. Runs pretty good. Although there is a slight hitch in it's git along at a slower speed going forward and not so much going backwards. Could be the valve gear linkage and side rods. I'll look into that later.

                  Did a bit on thinking on the auxiliary tanks. Looks like three sections to make a decent looking tank. The yellow lines show the approximate point of cutting. Then the two "A" parts get glued back together.



                  That'll be it for a while. I'll be looking into scratch building the frame next.

                  Bernd
                  New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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                  • Fantastic electrical work Bernd, looks great and power pick-ups are unseen, unlike the top mounting pick-ups.

                    That tank will cut down to a fine looking size. I'm thinking log bunk type frames, however a flatcar type would work just as well. Looking forward to your idea on how this plays out.


                    Louis L&R Western Railroad
                    Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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                    • Bernd, a two tank ender...neat idea. But would they be different sizes? What's the ratio of oil to water consumed on your railroad by the engine on a typical run??

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                      • Excellent work Bernd. The two auxiliary tank cars are a good idea. I have those same log buggies. They have the rails attached to the tops that you could use for mounting the tanks or a set of Keystone cheese block will work as well.

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                          Originally posted by Bill Gill


                          Bernd, a two tank ender...neat idea. But would they be different sizes? What's the ratio of oil to water consumed on your railroad by the engine on a typical run??


                          I guess the shop foreman will have to take the engine out for a test run and see what happens. Consumption for the HO model? Zero. It runs on electron atom power. Consumption for the real thing? Unknown? [)] [:-clown]

                          Bernd
                          New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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                            Originally posted by desertdrover


                            Fantastic electrical work Bernd, looks great and power pick-ups are unseen, unlike the top mounting pick-ups.

                            That tank will cut down to a fine looking size. I'm thinking log bunk type frames, however a flatcar type would work just as well. Looking forward to your idea on how this plays out.


                            Thanks Louis. Glad the electrical part is out of the way.

                            I've got lots of pictures in my mind as to how what to do the tank. I'll probably go through a couple of iterations before I'm a happy camper.

                            Bernd
                            New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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                              Originally posted by Glen Haasdyk


                              Excellent work Bernd. The two auxiliary tank cars are a good idea. I have those same log buggies. They have the rails attached to the tops that you could use for mounting the tanks or a set of Keystone cheese block will work as well.


                              Thanks Glen. Much appreciated for the kind words. Originally I thought of one tank with two compartments, then it was two small tanks on one forty foot flat car, then two separate cars. Then the final idea came when I came across those log buggies.

                              I'm not going to use the Keystone log buggies. I'm going to build something similar to them though. Like I said probably go through a couple of designs before I'm happy with the end result.

                              Bernd
                              New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds

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                              • Bernd,

                                Your little beast there is going to have a real backwoods look. Pretty neat idea you have for the tanks.

                                Mike
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