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    Very Large Conifers ?

    Has anybody had any luck with a method, or ideas,or products,etc. for the creation of large conifer trees for our scale modeling.

    Such as giant Redwoods of California,or ancient Fir trees of the Pacific Northwest,Iv'e internet searched alot and am still experimenting with materials looking for a way to duplicate realistic looking trunks that are

    1 1/2" to 2" thick equaling 6' to 8' across.I know of some good constuction ideas for smaller bodied conifers but still looking for that better modeled large conifer type trees.Randy May
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    Randy....Paul Scoles has an article in the Gazette some time back about some "really big" redwoods.....check the on-line index for the issue...tom

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    • #3
      Here is one place to check out; http://www.2guyzandsumtrains.com/Con...ge/pid=60.html.


      Louis L&R Western Railroad
      Pacific Northwest Logging in the East Coast

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      • #4
        As far as I remember, Paul's method for building his "big trees" was not very different from that used on standard balsa + caspia pines. Just the scale is not the same, with balsa trunks about 2' long and a diameter in keeping. And I guess that every tree must "eat" a ton of caspia.

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        • #5
          hey guys;

          the (http://www.2guyzandsumtrains.com/Con...=60.html.)link is a reasonable construction,with caspia,but he is building there HO scale trees. IN my old entrys here on this forum I did show using dowel rods beveled down,furnace filter for branch clumps,,,,simular to the "Red Rocks Railroad" style. I,ve been hoping to come closer to the realism presented in the On3 "Red Stag Lumber Co." layout.(http://www.nmra.org.au/Layout_Tours/.../frameset.html)

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          • #6
            The problem is that the Red Stag trees were made using a plant that seems to exist only in Australia.

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            • #7
              Shamus made big ones from balsa and plastic ferns.

              http://www.2guyzandsumtrains.com/2g/.../chapter06.htm

              Here's another using wire

              http://www.2guyzandsumtrains.com/Content/pid=12.html

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              • #8
                Randy.. I spent a few years around the RED STAG layout and tried to copy the look of the Casaurina tree trunks. I have quite a few of the trunks, BUT in all cases were only good to represent tall timber with the tops cut off.

                "Shamus" web site is a perfect example how I achieved the "rough" bark look, although I used a tenon saw to ruff up the balsa. The tenon saw is also ideal when using pine dowel for tree trunks. I use a very small hand plane to taper trees.

                AND Yes..as my mate Frederic mentioned.... tall timber use loads of Caspia... I did a large tree and it took me ages...

                by the way... I use "very dry" caspia ( very hard to get ).... then add foliage....


                Like many members on the RRL... we have probably tried many methods and the one Paul uses solves the problem for many.... who love modeling Trees


                Cheers mate

                Mario

                PS... Excellent tutorial by "Shamus"

                Large tree in O scale

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                Very large tree trunks in HO scale

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                • #9
                  Randy

                  At the bottom of this web page link, I used the "RED STAG" trees on one of my projects, to hold the box roof....

                  http://members.westnet.com.au/mjbd/h..._recycled.html

                  regards

                  "M"
                  " Stay Motivated in Life "

                  http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_mario_rapinett.html

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                  • #10
                    WOW! That is some tall trestle! I get vertigo just looking at it!!!

                    The Geezer

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                    • #11
                      Mario;

                      thanks for the pictures,,,it helps alot to see the prototype, I,ve worked with the beveled dow rods and scraped them sideways to dig in a bark like texture, which was'nt bad simulating fir trees.Right now I'm working on large sunflower stalks,tapering them,rasping them,there lighter then dow rods,I,ve got them 1 1/2" to 3" wide,and of course there free out of my wifes garden,they dry out grey, they are woody when dried out,there fairly straight but not perfect, which is something that makes dow rods not work for me anymore,there to straight,the sunflower stalks also flairout at the base into its root system witch all in all looks a little more authentic.Looking at Marios models I hope to try the Caspia branching as your pics show.The sunflower stalks still won't have that heavy bark look,like the red stag trees, but I'm still looking for inovative,creative ideas.thanks alot everybody for ideas,,,,Randy

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                      • #12
                        Randy,

                        Here are some photos of tree bark in BC.






                        I remember a how to where they rolled polymer model clay like "premo" flat then wrapped it around the dowel. They then carved the bark pattern into the clay. You then bake the clay in the oven to harden it and then paint the bark.

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                        • #13
                          quote:

                          I remember a how to where they rolled polymer model clay like "premo" flat then wrapped it around the dowel. They then carved the bark pattern into the clay. You then bake the clay in the oven to harden it and then paint the bark.
                          There was an article about this in the jan/feb 2001 narrow gauge gazette, Larry. Page 28.

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                          • #14
                            Mario;

                            I'm going into my next adventure in On30 modeling using your Enterprise layout idea,patterned after the Red Stag layout, by using a ceiling,with a 24" window,to model the very large trees.I dont want to model those kind of large trees to be 36"-48" tall,and I actually do like the Shadow box effect of the Red Stag layout.There window looked to be about 24" tall,,,with about 30" tall trees inside to the ceiling? Could you run by me the lighting fixtures used?I live on the east slopes of the Cascade mountains here in washington state,and have long since desired to model the cascades terrain,the big old growth firs,etc.and the lush green landscape as you did on the Enterprise layout.Did the Red Stag layout,as you said you did, use the big trunks as well to hold up the ceiling? thanks for any and all information you might send. Randy

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                            • #15
                              Harold demonstrated a way to simulate tree bark.

                              This was for trees that were cut down, but I imagine it could be adapted.

                              http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/bark/

                              Hope this helps.

                              -david j

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