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    Originally posted by k27rgs

    Just incredible modeling....

    structures, track plan, scenery and finally the "composition" of the project is brilliant...

    Gregg, what part of the USA do you reside ???

    I've saved the many wonderful pics for future reference.......



    Thanks Mario. I live in California. Here are a few more pics of the lumber schooner Alcatraz.


    • Hi GreggW,

      I've been continuing research on model ship availability. Not much out there. What I have found is that the basic hull type is that of a fishing trawler. The Great Lakes ships modeled by Sylvan includes a ship outfitted as a 20" lumber freighter HO-1115 for $169.00 done in resin. It assumes loading from a pier w/crane as there are no masts and spars with appropriate rigging per se. This type of boat is also called a 'lumber hooker'. It would still need some kit bashing. Speaking of ship details, I found a company called 'Cornwall Model Boats' (UK) that represents a host of model ship kits and a list of detail parts (literally thousands) that will blow your mind away - davits, ballards, small boats, working rigging parts (brass, wood or resin), etc., etc. The site has USA prices as well.

      If there is another site out there, besides custom builds, it has elluded me to date - and I spent most of last night cruizing the Internet. I don't really see any way out of a scratch or a kit-bash build. It seems odd as there were literally hundreds of these type ships working during the late 19th and early 20th century. Ships of sail w/steam (paddle-wheel) or sail (i.e. two and three-masted schooners) preceded these types of ships. I suspect tugs and barges are used today for inter-coastal movement and container/freight ships are used for ocean transport.




      • Gregg your layout is absolutely beautiful, and when I build mine I am going to use yours as the bar to aim towards. I understand yours takes place in California, but some of those waterfront scenes really capture the essence of the waterfront that I am looking for. I plan on modelling the Nova Scotia and New England coast.

        I once tried to make a tramp steamer with the base made of extruded foam wrapped in styrene plastic, but it didnt really turn out like I wanted. I have accepted though, that in order for me to have ships on my layout (which is an absolute MUST), I am going to have learn to model plank on plank. Did I mention I model in On30? LOL. The only 1:48 ships I can find are the type used for R/C, which usually are plank on plank construction and cost an arm and a leg!


        • Hey Trent,

          I posted this information on another thread but am not sure if you saw it. I saw in your profile that you spent some time riding the waves in the Navy, so you just may enjoy this site.


          Wonderful layout! I can see from the models that you're assembling that we share a weakness for OLD Wooden Propeller Lumber Hookers. I've provided a link to a GREAT resource for Great Lakes ships. It's sponsored by Bolling Green State University.

          If you go there, Under the box "rig", enter "Propeller, hooker", in the box "Hull", enter "wood" then push the "Begin Search" button.

          The search results will list MANY pages of ships. These are listed in alphbetical order. If you push the Item button on the right side of the field, it will provide you with information and a photo (if available)of that particular ship.

          As I said , there is a vertible plethora of great stuff! Although, there are not many "Salty's" included, the lines of these ships are about the same as the Gems you have on your layout!


          Greg Rich

          President & Chief WheelKnocker

          New Baltimore & Fair Haven Rwy.


          • Outstanding is all I can say!


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              Originally posted by Tim Kerkhoff

              Outstanding is all I can say!

              Thanks Tim. It's been a busy day on the C&D. First, the Christmas train was spotted near the Grant's Landing station, picking up a few more passengers for a trip up to the snow. That's the C&D#21 4-6-0 at the head (a nicely detailed and weathered Beaver Creek V&T).

              A couple of 2-6-6-2T tankers were sitting idle near the roundhouse, including C&D#4 (Custom Brass Hammond Lumber Co.) and C&D#8 (NWSL Rayonier). You can also see the C&D#17 2-8-0 pulling out of the roundhouse stall.

              The C&D#14 2-8-2T tanker (PSC Coos Bay Lumber Co.) was busy with harbor switching duties down on docks of Grants Landing.

              Merry Christmas to all!!



              • Somemore really great pics Gregg.


                • Gregg

                  Always a pleasure to see some new scenes of the railroad.




                  • It's good to see trains run on the layout, Gregg. I like the three last pictures, they really look like a movie storyboard.


                    • Your layout is fantastic. I love your scenes. Thanks for sharing
                      Built a waterfront HO layout in Ireland but now making a start in On30 in Australia


                      • I usually can't get my dail-up to load this thread but when it does it is a real treat. Outstanding modeling!


                        • I have been making progress on the Redwood River Canyon. Here are a few update pictures with two of the three bridges in place and with a photo mock-up where the dam will eventually be in the background.



                          • Below is information regarding the history of the C&DRR, which I also posted on page 1.


                            The History of the C&D Railroad – Pacific Division
                            The continued growth and development of northern California was not without it’s challenges. The annual flood damage to crops and industries had to be controlled. Water usage, that made the San Francisco Bay too salty and the water undrinkable, needed to be managed. Plus, inexpensive electric power was in high demand. To address these concerns, the 1921 California legislature took action and created a comprehensive water plan that became know as The Central Valley Project.

                            At this same time, the owners of the Redwood River Railroad were struggling to survive and looking for a better solution. That’s when they learned about a new dam to be built on the Redwood River and took their gamble of a lifetime. Since materials needed to be brought in to make the dam and they wanted to be the shipper of those goods, they locked up rail contracts for sand and crushed stone with customers near Diablo Falls and the dam building contractors in the new town of Damsyde. Since the needed steel would be shipped into the nearby harbor town of Grants Landing, they secured the rail contracts to make the upriver haul. Most importantly, they found low cost sources of gypsum and limestone out east a ways near Cimaron and formed a partnership with the Cimaron Railroad. This assured an unimpeded rail line to haul all needed materials to the dam, as well as an expanded customer base for their redwood materials on the return trip east. Thus was the beginning of the Cimaron and Damsyde Railroad, with its Pacific Division operating out of Diablo Falls.

                            Several years have past, the dam is built and the Central Valley Project is now expanding. All concerns of a declining business ended when the C&DRR signed rail contracts to support the next two dams. Their redwood operations are flourishing, plus they have many new customers in the towns of Diablo Falls and Grant’s Landing. These are good times for the C&DRR.


                            • Gregg,

                              That is just one fine roster of locomotive power.

                              Each engine is a charm unto itself, let alone all 25 of them.

                              Great job and they really do fit in well with your layout. :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
                              Dave Mason


                              • Gregg, that's a beautiful stable of lokies you've got! :up: :up: