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Terrell
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Posted - 07/05/2018 :  6:10:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about a blacksmith shop? They made a lot of tools and parts needed for engine repair.


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Nelson458
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Posted - 07/05/2018 :  8:23:05 PM  Show Profile  Visit Nelson458's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Terrell

How about a blacksmith shop? They made a lot of tools and parts needed for engine repair.



OK, that sounds like a great idea. Been wanting to do one with a full interior too. Thanks.


Tony Burgess
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Terrell
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Posted - 07/05/2018 :  10:22:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That'll be fun.


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Nelson458
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Posted - 07/06/2018 :  05:53:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit Nelson458's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Terrell

That'll be fun.



I agree. I've even recently bought some nice details from Shapeways for a blacksmith shop.

I saw a painting in a museum last year that got me drooling, and really got me going on building one:




Tony Burgess
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TRAINS1941
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Posted - 07/06/2018 :  12:53:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great picture and a nice BS shop!

Jerry

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Nelson458
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Posted - 07/06/2018 :  5:09:30 PM  Show Profile  Visit Nelson458's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by TRAINS1941

Great picture and a nice BS shop!



Thanks Jerry. I was glad we were able to take pictures (no flash) in the museum. I saw many of my favorite artists, but this one I liked the most. Well, at least it was the one I went back to more often.


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Nelson458
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Posted - 07/13/2018 :  10:22:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit Nelson458's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I am at a point of conflict here, where I originally wanted to put in some belt driven machines within the shop on the engine side, and yet I donít think that there would be one in reality within the shop, but would have one within a building outside the shop which would make, not only more sense but easier to build (from a modeling standpoint) and would be more visually interesting (from a viewers standpoint).

My thoughts now are to have a separate shop where I can design the whole thing just around the machines, have a separate boiler outside, etc., rather than an add-on. This would enable me to have larger windows all around to show off the interior better.

Some of you might come back and say "sounds like you already talked yourself into it", and maybe I did. And I think that this is the direction I will go.

Thoughts?????


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David Clark
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Posted - 07/13/2018 :  12:35:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It doesn't seem like there would be enough room in your engine house for a belt-driven machine shop (this opinion is based on zero fact or experience, BTW). Having an detached shop would make more sense, I think. Then you would also have the machinists doing their own thing without getting in the way of the mechanics working on the engines/rolling stock. Two trades tripping over each other would NEVER cause conflict.
Cheers,
Dave



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Michael Hohn
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Posted - 07/13/2018 :  3:02:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Tony,

Sounds to me that you donít want to be bound to a prototype but you also want to build a plausible model. The enginehouse with a wall of line-driven machines or even a lean-to is something modeled often but in my mind hard to substantiate.

The shops etc of the Sierra R.R. at Jamestown is the prototype for many models. I think the shop is about 30 by 60 ft. The roundhouse is six stalls. A question in my mind is whether a shop this size would be found where the engine house had only two stalls. Some machines had their own electric motors and the line shaft was also powered by a motor early on.

I suspect you could have a small shop or a line of small machines like lathes and drill presses along one wall of the engine house. They could be motor-driven. Iíd be skeptical that boiler and stationary engines were used in very small shops.

I guess I rambled on.

Mike


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Nelson458
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Posted - 07/13/2018 :  8:57:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Nelson458's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dave, your right, of course. There isn't much room, and originally I was going to have it along one wall, but after adding some details, like benches, that room was starting to be eaten up.

Mike, well thought out. And you are also right, I don't want to be "bound to a prototype but you also want to build a plausible model". How did you know??? Hmmm. Anyway, it seems clear that a stand alone building next door would work really well.

The concept of a machine shop in the engine shed stemmed from the one by Sierra West that I built what seems like last year, but I am sure it was much earlier. I thought it would work here too. My shop is designed for a small short line railroad. So only small engines will be seen in it. A 4-6-0 might be the largest.

I had build one engine shop many years ago, late 1980's, where it had a full machine shop with one track on one side. I still have it. Used almost every machine SSLtd made. Plenty of scratchbuilt stuff too, like welders, desks, surface plate and tools, racks with odds and ends on it and so on.

An additional thought I just had (literally this very moment) might be to have a machine shop similar to that, with one track going into it stemming off of the one track in my existing shop that goes through.


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railman28
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Posted - 07/14/2018 :  01:35:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In my studies I found a lot of verity in shops set up. The ups and downs of the business also effected the shops. I regularly found Driver wheel Lathes in Roundhouses between stalls with a line shaft being hung to power it. While the rest of the machine tools were in a dedicated building which often shared a common wall with the engine house. Often these common walls were (re)movable so the larger parts could be brought in to be machined. Quite often I saw the reduction of Blacksmith shops as there was more reliance on machine working and the introduction of gas and arch welding allowing jobs that previously had been slugged out in the Blacksmith shop could now be done in the roundhouse stall. Let me give you another specific example. The Sierra RR, they had a separate Machine shop, blacksmith and wood shops. The Machine shop shared a common wall with the roundhouse. They had those removable walls. The first stall of the roundhouse nearest the shop seemed to serve as a repair track. It has an overhead crane that runs its length. The layout allowed for considerable space between the Machine shop the engine stall. In the back of this area and running next to the shared wall was the round house's one machine tool, a parts tumbler, which works just like a rock tumbler. At a point in about the 20's or 30's The Sierra closed their Blacksmith shop and set up a much smaller one in this space. It is my hope that the above helps gives you license to do what you want.


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Nelson458
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Posted - 07/14/2018 :  08:52:46 AM  Show Profile  Visit Nelson458's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all that Robert. Good info. So the other idea I had is about as plausible as anything else, that is adding another machine shop off the exiting track in the shed.

Adding an adjacent building to mine now would necessitate (can't believe I spelled that right ) re-moving part of an existing wall, but I might also give that some serious thought as I like the idea.

Thank you for your thoughts.


Tony Burgess
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Pennman
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Posted - 07/14/2018 :  11:18:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tony,
Just getting back to this thread again and read all of the great information above. It is fortunate for us that other members provide such exquisite posts. I will be following along with your project, as eventually I was planning on doing a similar building. You might want to check out the one that Carl Laskey built, too. I think it's on Brett's forum.
Rich



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Nelson458
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Posted - 07/14/2018 :  12:19:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit Nelson458's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Pennman

Tony,
Just getting back to this thread again and read all of the great information above. It is fortunate for us that other members provide such exquisite posts. I will be following along with your project, as eventually I was planning on doing a similar building. You might want to check out the one that Carl Laskey built, too. I think it's on Brett's forum.
Rich



Thanks Rich, I'll do that.


Tony Burgess
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Nelson458
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Posted - 07/14/2018 :  2:44:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit Nelson458's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I do have a few details done, many more to go. It's harder than just coloring a casting, and putting it in place, but the end result is not only unique, but you can see it's not a casting and has more of a realistic look. I am still using some castings, but modifying them a bit, sometimes by simply adding some additional details. And some are left as is. Here is my latest, a shelf unit to house the clamps and a couple extra plans, with some drill bits (auger bits) in a side case.

















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