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jeyjey
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  08:26:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had some trouble today with a Mail Pouch Tobacco sign. When I tried the wet-scraping method of thinning the paper, the ink bled.

Then I tried the dry sandpaper method with better results, but the ink bled again when I applied the sign with diluted white glue.

I considered varnishing the printed sign first, but water could still bleed into the back of the ink through the paper, so I was worried that wouldn't work.

So I tried Canopy Glue (un-thinned, as it's pretty thin anyway). That at least pretty much cured the bleeding problem. However, try as I might I couldn't seem to get the sign to lay down properly on the clapboard. No matter how much I pressed I wasn't getting nice shadows under each board.

Finally, having given up, I was sitting there staring at my poor wall when I realised the sign was laying nice and tight -- the missing shadows were because the clapboard was upside down!

D'oh.

Cheers,
Jeff.
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sgtbob
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  08:34:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit sgtbob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jeff,

WE ALL do something like that every now and then, keeps us human.

Bob

PS. Did you ever try printing your sign on decal paper?


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jbvb
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  08:39:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit jbvb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That must have been frustrating. Was the sign commercial? I've heard reports of ink-jet ink bleeding when wet. I'd think a color laser printer wouldn't, though I haven't tested.


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sgtbob
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  08:45:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit sgtbob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I use both, the laser print dose not bleed and most papers for ink jet printers have you spray
the printed sign with a fixer or clear spray to protect the ink from water.

To be very honest, I usually prefer the ink jet decals over the laser printed ones.

Bob


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jeyjey
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  09:27:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sign was printed on an ink-jet printer on regular typing paper. I'll try a layer of varnish next time -- but in the meantime I cut another wall and put the sign on with Canopy Glue.

It looks nice now that the clapboard is right-side-up.

Cheers,
Jeff.


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k9wrangler
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  09:39:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The last, actually only, Mail Pouch sign I did I made a decal with my inkjet and testers clear decal paper, sealed it with their clear decal bonder and put it on the barn. As I had used clear paper it looked nice and faded without any additional effort.





The barn is a Mountaineer lazer kit. Roof is a decal, also. On white decal paper.



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David J Buchholz
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  10:17:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On the clapboard... Easyist way I've found is to use an identical piece of clapboard to clamp it into place. By having one piece up , the other down they will interlock. Use a piece of plastic wrap between the poster and the clamp so you don't glue the "clamp" to the wall.


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jeyjey
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  3:29:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He he... I grew up in Knoxville TN, so I remember those Lookout Mountain signs.

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darrylhuffman
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Posted - 03/12/2017 :  05:38:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bleeding is a common problem with inkjet printers.

I printed and sold decals for years.

I used only Epson printers as their ink does not run.

But you do need to spray the finished decal with a clear fixative such as Dullcote to keep the ink from sliding off the decal paper.

But when you are using regular typing paper for signs, the Epson inks do not bleed nor do they require a fixative.

Bottom line, next time buy an Epson printer for printing your signs and lettering on paper.


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jeyjey
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Posted - 03/12/2017 :  08:03:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting, Darryl. I didn't realise there was any difference in printer inks.

I have two ink-jets, but sadly they're both Canons.

Cheers,
Jeff.


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Michael Hohn
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Posted - 03/12/2017 :  11:14:17 AM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jeff,

Interesting and helpful discussion. I was asked recently about gluing paper signs on buildings and I suggested canopy glue. Looks like it was a good recommendation.

Mike


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k9wrangler
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Posted - 03/13/2017 :  11:12:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As long as we're comparing, my printer currently is a HP and I may have had a Canon when I did the barn decals.


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MOWBOSS
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Posted - 03/14/2017 :  4:55:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Years ago when I tested photocopiers we had to run "Rice paper" for the Oriental market.
This paper is the thickness of the old typewriter onion skin paper. I print all my signs on
this thin "Rice paper" and the results are excellent with laser printer. This paper is so
precious to me that I always run a copy on copier paper to check for sizing. Any good printer
should be able to handle this thin paper. Laser printer also allows me to copy signage onto
transparency film (old overhead projections)and use as window signs. Don't know where you could
find onion skin or rice paper these days.



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darrylhuffman
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Posted - 03/14/2017 :  6:30:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Onion skin is also called vellum and is readily available.

The thinnest paper is sold in gun stores for use as wadding in shotgun shells for people who like to load their own shells.


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jeyjey
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Posted - 03/15/2017 :  3:38:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just bought some rice paper from Amazon (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Paper-Japanese-Chinese-Calligraphy-Painting/dp/B004JF8LRQ).

Once I test it out (with an ink-jet printer, as I have no laser), I'll let you all know how it goes.

Cheers,
Jeff.


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