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kumard
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Posted - 03/20/2016 :  5:19:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ShadyPine >> This is turning into a charmer I can see it already. >>Thanks. Ways to go but hopefully I'm heading in the right direction.

Frank >> You better hurry, you've only got 29 days left on the free trial of Sketch Up. >> Ha! You are right. Luckily I have a second free version that I will turn to when my time is up.


http://thedepotonline.com/

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kumard
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Posted - 03/28/2016 :  01:23:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well it's been an interesting week. I spent each evening learning SketchUp (watching this series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA594D5BA234BC35B) and very quickly figured out how to create buildings and get them to fit together. I wanted create an interesting mix of buildings for the car barn area and I was able to draw them very quickly and add whatever details I thought were necessary.

I started with a sketch of the buildings. The concept being that the barn in fact was mostly hidden and embedded between and set back from a couple of building fronts.


I started working in SketchUp and started adding the buildings. I based the building on pictures of town houses found in my Morning Sun traction/trolley books. It's a very crude version but I will flesh out the details later.


I printed out the first one and created a little scale demo building which I added to the plan.


I keep forgetting how small HO scale really is. Even large or tall buildings turn out in the model to be much shorter than expected. A three story building is just over 30 foot tall or 10.5 centimeters which looks kinda tiny on an HO model. I had to cut it down a couple of times because it was too tall and reduce its depth to give my track at the front clearance space. This is just exactly what I wanted to use SketchUp for: to root out space, dimension and other problems before I start modeling. It's a hellava lot easier to make the changes on screen than in the actual model.


I redid the building and added it back to the plan. This particular structure represents the offices of the traction company.


I wanted to add the remaining buildings but decided that I would redo the design of the car barn first and started with this rough outline. I added some details taken from the Presidio stables. I realized that the mix of buidlings was going to be much more interesting if I left a slice of the car barn visible and added smaller buildings around it with a variety of textures - brick, concrete - and roofs - flat, sloped etc.


I then added the remaining buildings - workshops and storage - to create a nice mix of structures for the car barn area. I also figured out how to import my crude full size plan into SketchUp. I'm going to redo that but for the moment it has been added to the model.

Here are some 3d views of the plan so far.












So that's it so far. This may go through several more changes but for the moment I have enough to keep moving. Next on my list is the depot. Before I start making the buildings I will add many more architectural details. The final structures should turn out to be a lot more interesting than what you see on the plan.


http://thedepotonline.com/

Edited by - kumard on 03/30/2016 10:49:51 AM

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Grabnet
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Posted - 03/28/2016 :  06:15:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is an incredible modelling tool. You learned a lot in one week!!

Doc tom



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George D
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Posted - 03/28/2016 :  08:14:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kumard, CAD programs have a pretty steep learning curve and you sure have climbed the Sketchup curve quickly.

You've created some interesting buildings with nice functional shapes to fit the track plan.

George



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Tyson Rayles
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Posted - 03/28/2016 :  09:10:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice artwork!

Mike

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Frank Palmer
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Posted - 03/28/2016 :  10:33:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit Frank Palmer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
BRAVO, you flattened out that learning curve. For a week’s time I’d say you came a long way. That link for Sketchup is a huge help, I saved that one in case I take it on.

I’ve been doing AutoCAD since the ‘90s and I hate to leave my comfort zone.

Oops, I almost forgot, the building design looks very realistic. What a guy, female work force, no discrimination here.



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quartergauger48
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Posted - 03/28/2016 :  12:04:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NICE...



Ted

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robchant
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Posted - 03/28/2016 :  7:50:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow ... I really like the design and how you jig-sawed everything together ... tells a good story of progress and expansion ... and then eventually decline. As always ... very nice work!

Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
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kumard
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Posted - 03/28/2016 :  11:08:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks all.

If you follow the series I posted and just play around with the software for 20 minutes each evening by the end of the week you'll be able to create similar buildings. It can get much more complex but the basics are easy to learn and apply.

Btw SketchUp can be used to design interiors, furniture, locomotives and rolling stock, gardens, landscapes, automobiles etc. In fact it can be used to design any 3d object you can think of. However one item I have not yet been able to create are railroad tracks with easements (or bezier curves). It can be done but I have not yet found an easy way to do it. So that is the next challenge. I've put a rough sketch of the track plan on the drawing but I would love to have railroad tracks drawn by SketchUp exactly to my plan.

Another very important use of SketchUp for modelers is in the area of 3D printing. I may have some architectural details that cannot be bought or easily made. Well in that case I can just pull the item out of the design and send it to a 3D printer service such as Shapeways (http://www.shapeways.com/). They will print it up to scale and send it back to me and I can just slot it into place. It is already a much utilized mode of model making among railroaders such as ourselves but I've never had the SketchUp skills to send them anything. Well now I can.

I have some notes on car barns which I will post tomorrow but I'm now fully researching depot buildings. I'll work on the design for that on Friday evening and post the SketchUp plans on Sunday night.


http://thedepotonline.com/

Edited by - kumard on 03/28/2016 11:09:34 PM

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George D
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Posted - 03/29/2016 :  08:52:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kumard, for the track planning your are talking about, have you seen Templot http://www.templot.com/ ?

I use Autosketch for my CAD work and don't have the patience to learn Templot, which is totally different. You might do better.

George



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kumard
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Posted - 03/29/2016 :  10:38:30 AM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
GeorgeD >>Kumard, for the track planning your are talking about, have you seen Templot http://www.templot.com/? >> George, I shiver when thinking of the hill to climb with Templot. From the software itself, to the documentation, to the scattered informational websites, the whole program seems a real challenge to learn. Yet, I think I'm going to have to do it since there is no better program for designing hand laid track. I think once I've mastered the basics the rest should come together quickly.

I can model the trackwork plan in Templot and then import the design into SketchUp. I found notes on how to do that: http://www.templot.com/martweb/gs_dxf.htm. Maybe I'll try to turn to Templot sooner than later since I'm feeling a bit like a model railroad superman after learning SketchUp!


http://thedepotonline.com/

Edited by - kumard on 03/29/2016 10:41:29 AM

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George D
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Posted - 03/29/2016 :  11:06:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kumard, if you figure out the secret to Templot - let me know.

George



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jefbar
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Posted - 03/30/2016 :  11:14:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Really enjoy this thread so far. You have accomplished a lot in a short time. As I am wanting to "start" my layout, I will be subscribing to this one for some great planning ideas and starting out on the track laying. Look forward to more.


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kumard
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Posted - 03/30/2016 :  12:02:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
George >> if you figure out the secret to Templot - let me know. >> George, I will keep you posted. Actually my immediate task is to design a control panel for The Depot and one of the control panel examples posted by another modeler which I may use (http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/7237) was designed in Cadrail (http://www.sandiasoftware.com/). I'm going to take a quick detour into Cadrail this week to see if I can create a reasonable copy of The Town track plan which I would then import into SketchUp. I'll keep you posted. Templot is still on the horizon though. I can't design a three-way turnout without it. I shall post next week with results.

JeffBar >> Really enjoy this thread so far. You have accomplished a lot in a short time. As I am wanting to "start" my layout, I will be subscribing to this one for some great planning ideas and starting out on the track laying. Look forward to more. >> Thanks Jeff. It's been a very interesting journey so far - the swerve into SketchUp was unexpected and who knows where I'm heading next. Plenty more to come. Thanks for watching.


http://thedepotonline.com/

Edited by - kumard on 03/30/2016 12:04:17 PM

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dallas_m
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Posted - 03/30/2016 :  7:13:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are you sure you want the roof of the car shop draining into the back of the office building?

Cheers,
Dallas

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