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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  08:36:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI James,

I agree with the addition of the third track, and I think it will certainly be required if the rotary dumper is functional. I was also thinking about adding a longer lead to float bridge #3 and pier #2 area. I don't have any experience operating such a big yard complex, so any input/suggestions I can get will be very helpful. I am also worried about aisle width with having a second deck.

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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Michael Hohn
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  09:33:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Rob and Rob,

I have been following this discussion and enjoying the evolution of this design. While I don't have any specific suggestions I want to say in general that I like the latest design the most. It puts the harbor operation front and center and there's a lot of it. It would make a very dramatic layout.

Mike


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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  09:57:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Mike,

Thanks for looking, and I agree that the last design would highlight the marine operations the most. If Rob also agrees with the design, I may even mock it up in 3D to see how it all looks once it is finalized.

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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rwproctor
New Hire



Posted - 03/11/2017 :  11:54:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rob,

I must say, you nailed it. Calling out the different piers wasn't even a thought of mine, and now that it is on paper it makes all the sense in the world. It definitely would hold interest in switching for awhile.Seriously, now the pressure is on to build it, the only thing holding me back has been the layout design.

James: I too like the addition of the 3rd track around to the crossover, gives some more operational flex. Maybe even adding a 2nd track to the north side. I have no idea about operations and how many poeple yet. I am hoping once it starts to get built there will be a few interested people wanting to operate.
Mike: Harbor is definitely front and center, and I like that.

Rob,
Like I have said before, I am building the western half of the room in the next month or two, I may have to make it 16' wide for the last 17' of the room. It will give wider aisles without compromising the layout.
Your using Pier #4 as rotary dump correct?

I think what I may do in addition, is to add a staging yard and reverse loop under the harbor:
It will give me a way to add westbound trains, and also a way to allow for continuous running.
Thoughts anyone?


Thanks again for everyone's input and suggestions, but I really like this design. May have to break ground sooner than later.

Rob



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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  12:16:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rob,

Yes, Pier #4 is the coal pier, and I have a question about the rotary dumper. Are you planing to make this functional? Or is it just a scenic feature? If it is functional, how exactly will it work?

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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jbvb
Fireman

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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  12:55:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbvb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Rob P, do you recall the 'switching puzzles' the model magazines used to publish? I think about the moves
one switcher would have to make working the main yard while a through freight arrives or departs, or while
another switcher goes on duty at the engine house, moves to the yard and takes a cut over to switch Piers 7, 8 and 9.

The key congestion issue is that a switcher may be working with a cut longer than any yard track, or longer
than the free space on any single track. It's slow and disruptive to put things away temporarily so another
move can get by.



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rwproctor
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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  1:57:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robchant

Hi Rob,

Yes, Pier #4 is the coal pier, and I have a question about the rotary dumper. Are you planing to make this functional? Or is it just a scenic feature? If it is functional, how exactly will it work?




Good question! I have 2 kits for this area, one is the Walthers Rotary dumper, and the other is the Sheepscot "Cats head Pier". Obviously the dumper will need an extensive kitbashing done to it, but I think it is a good point to start. There was also a HI lift dump at PC as well, and I think that Cats head will fit the bill for that.
Now whether they are operational are not is another thing. I think the dumper has a better chance of actually working. I am not sure if the Cats Head Pier can function or if it is just static. I haven't done my home work on that kit yet.
Either way I do plan on at least pushing cars through either one as part of switching.

James , do you think adding a second track to the North piers would alleviate most of the switching puzzle your referring too?



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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  2:14:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rob,

I figured that I would start with the main yard and engine terminal first before tackling the rest. So this is the design with one more yard track and the additional service tracks added. I still have to add a spot for diesel fueling, but that shouldn't be a problem.

MAIN YARD & ENGINE TERMINAL:



Can anyone think of anything else that is needed? Or see any issues with its design/layout?

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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jbvb
Fireman

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Posted - 03/11/2017 :  2:17:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbvb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Rob P., the first step in answering that question is to count up the car capacity of the Pier 7,8,9 spurs. Then
think about how many of those spots should be filled with cars (don't go higher than about 75%, switching will be
tiresome). Then think about how many of of those cars want to move in a single operating session. Guessing, you've
got 40-50 spots in that area, and the little yard might hold 25 or 30 cars. Which implies a switch job bringing no
more than 15 cars and returning with about the same number. How does that compare with the size of main line train
you want to see?



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Jeff Compton
Engine Wiper

Premium Member

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  3:19:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rob.
This looks to be a very interesting build. I have loved watching the evolution of the design that the discussion has brought about. You are getting some excellent input and questions from members. I am looking forward to watching this come together. Rob C has come up with another winning design!
Jeff



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rca2
Engine Wiper

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  3:35:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rob and Rob: Outstanding topic. You might need to add fueling for diesels. Depends on the roster plans. Bob.

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rwproctor
New Hire



Posted - 03/11/2017 :  3:59:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bob: I do plan on rostering diesels. I was originally going to do the mid 1940's. But I like both steam and diesels and to remain somewhat true to the prototype I will just go 1945 to 1955. With an occasional stretch here and there.


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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  4:13:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rob,

I moved to the north wall next and worked on Piers #7, #8 and #9. The boats shown are Lake Freighters with the length of the longest one being six feet. You would probably be more inclined to included two smaller ships, but I wanted to show you how long of a freighter the space can handle.

PIERS #7, #8 AND #9:



Again, can anyone think of anything else that is needed? Or see any issues with its design/layout?

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  10:11:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rob,

Next I tackled adding the leads for the various yards, and the arrangement of Pier #4 (coal pier) and #5, and the Float Bridge #2.

PIERS #4, #5 AND FLOAT BRIDGE #2:



Any issues with its design/layout?

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 03/11/2017 :  11:30:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rob,

The last section was Pier #2 and Float Bridge #3. I also added the diesel fueling facilities to the engine terminal.

PIER #2 AND FLOAT BRIDGE #3:



FINAL DESIGN:



Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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