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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 02/05/2017 :  08:23:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rich,

Trust me, you're not becoming a pita. Designing layouts is one of the big ways I get o enjoy the hobby.

I went back to your initial design and decided to mock it up in 3D just to see what it would look like with some crude structures added. I played with the track arrangement a bit, and also decided to go with a crossing as suggested by Andy. I was also able to add another spur.

Here's the design:



Here are some 3D mock ups for this design:





Hope that helps to better visualize the space.

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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RichBeau
Fireman



Posted - 02/05/2017 :  11:07:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice work. The buildings are a bit large. Still, I can visualize possibilities.

The added siding could be a good location for a small freight house and team track platform. Then I could create a small dense town behind the freight house that would extend into the backdrop and to the building on the far right.

I do like that 30-degree crossing. The siding to the right might actually have two smaller industries. The other side already is slated for a modified E.L. Moore Lumber yard. Problem is I'm not a fan of the Atlas track aesthetic. And I just did a quick search for the Walthers/Shinohara crossing and they're back-ordered. As luck would have it I'll be away in March so I can probably wait before installing those sidings.

It looks as though you've moved the yard about 3" toward the backdrop (it was 6"). I'd love to have a bit more space to create a slightly deeper backdrop. I wonder? If the yard was placed at an angle, would I gain some of that back?

Your drawing does quite a bit to give me a feel for the potential of this small layout. Thanks for the help.


-- Rich

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Jeff Compton
Engine Wiper

Premium Member

Posted - 02/05/2017 :  1:36:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rob,
Again, I never minded waiting for your help. This was the first time I was able to view your draft. I appreciate you taking the time to help and to put in the various things I said I would want in a layout. I will take some time to look over your design and let you know my thoughts! From the initial first look, I like your concept.
Jeff



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hon3_rr
Fireman

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Posted - 02/05/2017 :  2:46:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm really liking the design Rob.

-- KP --
Life is to short to build all of the models I want to.

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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 02/05/2017 :  3:38:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rich,

I am glad you like it. The 3D buildings were from a more modern layout that I worked on, so they could be a bit large. However, I actually try to oversize my structures in a plan so I know there is room.

As for the crossing, I doubt if it would be much of a problem to scratch build it if nothing else was available. It could actually be removed as long as you don't mind the switchback.

I had to move the yard back to get the 18" radius to work. Is the yard going to include scenery? Or is it just for staging? I will work on that as well.

I will play around with the design and refine it a bit more since I think there is still room for improvement.

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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RichBeau
Fireman



Posted - 02/05/2017 :  4:06:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did like the switchback and the 'S' turn. The turn would add viewing interest. But I also like the crossing. I'll order an Atlas crossing. It will be held in place with joiners until I can get the Shinohara.

Now you got me wondering... What if...
Put the switch-back in where you currently have the crossing. Then move the crossing scheme to the background side of the passing siding.

I figured that the tight turn was the issue with the yard. I'll scenic the yard a bit but ant extensive work won't happen unless I finish the town side.

I need to go watch a football game.
Later...
And thanks again.


-- Rich

Edited by - RichBeau on 02/05/2017 4:07:05 PM

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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 02/05/2017 :  4:12:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rich,

I just discovered that the Atlas and Shinohara 30 crossings aren't the same. The Shinohara is much bigger and requires a different track configuration. I will try to get the crossing to work to the rear, but I had problems with it already even with the smaller Atlas crossing.

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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RichBeau
Fireman



Posted - 02/05/2017 :  5:01:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ahhh that's why you're the rocket scientist! A 30-degree is a 30-degree to me. I wouldn't have discovered the problem until I laid it out on the table.

Go with the Atlas. Since it's not exactly front and center I'll hide it. It's amazing what I can happen with some paint, dirt, rocks, and scattered pieces of rail and old ties.


-- Rich

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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 02/05/2017 :  5:10:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rich,

I moved the crossings to the rear, but a 30 can no longer be used, it is now an Atlas 12.5 crossing which I don't have listed in my Walters library. This arrangement does offer a lot more room for structures. I added a few more and also reduced the ones I had a bit. I also added some rolling stock (most is 50', so a bit too modern) the only New England motive power I had was a Rutland RS-3.

Here's a close-up of just the town:



And a few 3D views:





Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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RichBeau
Fireman



Posted - 02/05/2017 :  5:24:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh yeah! I see lots of goodness there! You even got all three sidings back there...nice. I like it. And the boxcars too.

Headed out. I'll check in later.


-- Rich

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RichBeau
Fireman



Posted - 02/06/2017 :  11:46:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice work Rob

I'm still recovering from last night's football game (I'm goning to need a nap later). Even with that handicap I managed to create a track centerline plot. I'll need one more #5 turnout and the 30-degree crossing .

View of the town sections...

Lots of space for buildings. With at least 10" depth at the crossing and 8" left & right I can deploy a a background town.



View of the yard area...

By adjusting both the yard throat and the turn locations I was able to gain some space at the wall.

Thanks for your help.
--Rich


-- Rich

Edited by - RichBeau on 02/06/2017 11:48:11 AM

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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 02/06/2017 :  12:54:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Rich,

You are welcome, and it is nice to see the plan in full size. Just to clarify, the crossing is now 12.5-degrees.

Take care,
Rob.


Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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RichBeau
Fireman



Posted - 02/06/2017 :  2:29:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After getting such a nice solution I really had to print it out to see what it looked like.
So Rob which brand is that 12.5-degree crossing?


-- Rich

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robchant
Crew Chief

Posted - 02/06/2017 :  2:34:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is made by Atlas and comes in code 83:

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Atlas-HO-571-Code-83-Track-125-Degree-Crossing-p/atl-571.htm



Rob Chant
Glace Bay, NS
CANADA

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Jeff Compton
Engine Wiper

Premium Member

Posted - 02/06/2017 :  3:30:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rob,
I really like the design. I also posted it over in the Model Railroad Construction forum to get as much input as possible. The only concern I have right now is the grade of the loop around the turntable and how that will look but I again trust you and your knowledge of design. I really like what you and Rich are doing with his switching layout!
Jeff



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