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Harsco
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Posted - 12/24/2015 :  2:26:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Experiencing a severe fit of common sense, I decided to tackle the new Linglestown addition by trying something new and working from back to front, which meant attaching and painting the backdrop before futzing with all the other foreground stuff that seems to capture my interest.

Using .060 styrene bought from a local plastic supplier, I scored and cut it a little over 12 inches tall, then because it was stiff enough, attached it to the shelf uprights using Velcro double sided tape:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3211_zpsuf4qrsza.jpg.html][/URL]

After give the styrene a quick coat of standard HTRR Sky Blue, I grit my teeth and put together ALL of the LARC backgrounds I have with an autumn theme...which then provides a multitude of choices to ponder and procrastinate over. For those not familiar with the product, each "scene" is comprised of multiple sheets of 8 1/2 x 11 paper that has to be trimmed, then attached together to form a long backdrop. Having worked with these before, I've developed a technique designed to minimize the numerous joints and keep everything intact and aligned.

Here's what the sheets look like after I've trimmed the sides and bottom, leaving the top intact:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/FullSizeRender_zpsxkdpapl5.jpg.html][/URL]

Doing it this way allows me to butt and align the sheets together using small pieces of transparent tape, one in the sky section that will later be cut off, and a smaller one at the bottom that can be easily disguised later. After all the sheets are temporarily "tacked" together like this, the paper is then flipped over and thicker, stronger masking tape is applied to the joints to keep them nicely aligned:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3662_zpsc0amq60a.jpg.html][/URL]

Then comes the hard part for me: using my infamous and ubiquitous Blue Painters Tape,I then burn countless hours and neurons moving the completed backdrops around the area, trying to find the Perfect Combination (which I suspect does not exist).

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3655_zps6t3aypxb.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3654_zps2hu8pbaj.jpg.html][/URL]

There are more than a few factors involved in the decision-making process:somehow disguising the dissimilar ends, what will be in front of the backdrop, future plans for scenery, trees, etc. Do the adjacent scenes have a near or far perspective? If need be, can any gaps between them be covered with a structure? Can they be cut or blended? Unless what's there screams "Perfect", the process takes awhile before something clicks.

In this case, it took about a week of endless shuffling, taping, removing, and re-taping until I finally came up with an acceptable mix:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3659_zpshrvkdjda.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3656_zpsfdpab50y.jpg.html][/URL]


Notice the tape is still there? That's because I'm still not quite happy...yet.

More to come....







Edited by - Harsco on 12/24/2015 2:52:40 PM

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nhguy
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Posted - 12/24/2015 :  4:16:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit nhguy's Homepage  Send nhguy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I likie!!! That is got to be a tedious process. Are these printed on photo paper or cardstock?

Bill Shanaman
New Haven RR
Hartford Division
in Colorado.

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Harsco
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Posted - 12/25/2015 :  09:58:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nhguy

I likie!!! That is got to be a tedious process. Are these printed on photo paper or cardstock?



Happy holidays, Chief....it can be a bit tedious and a little challenging to make look right (there are always numerous seams/joints to contend with). I print mine on plain copier paper using a laser printer for three reasons: thinness,cost, and because laser printing is a bit more durable than ink jet. The down side is that laser printing tends to give the image a slightly semi-gloss sheen.



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Harsco
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Posted - 12/25/2015 :  10:55:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now for part three of the update. For sometime now, an idea has been rattling around inside my head about scenery, spurred on mostly by Mark's Northern Division, which like part of my layout, are relatively narrower in depth, making the Eastern hillsides covered with trees" a necessity. Using foam as a scenery substructure can be a messy proposition unless you have a hot wire cutter; after seeing some of Joe C's (dnhman)excellent scenery work, I wanted to experiment with what I termed the "egg crate" method of hill formation using easy to acquire materials that would allow everything to be built on the workbench as a module, then placed on the layout.

I always pictured a hillside area behind Fishing Creek Colliery, so that seemed to be the logical place to try the method out. After tacking up the photo backdrop, I did a few measurements and free handed a profile, then began gluing together the profile, base, and supports:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3688_zpsyc69mlsy.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3689_zpsgwlhriw9.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3690_zpspbqybzbp.jpg.html][/URL]

Using a hot glue gun, the entire process didn't take more than ten minutes...right up my alley.

After taping and plaster cloth:
[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3696%20-%20Copy_zps2f6xi0ai.jpg.html][/URL]

Flat black followed by sifted dirt as a base layer...made much easier working on the bench:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3697_zpsvwj3oqcg.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3698_zpsvuj7kdhj.jpg.html][/URL]

I don't know if it's the soil here or my methods, but my "dirt" always turns out very dark after drying, so this time I went back and painted the glued down dirt with a light shade of soil-like tan:

Before:
[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3699_zps1rbuzgfr.jpg.html][/URL]

After:
[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3700_zpsgz9zctmg.jpg.html][/URL]

Now the fun and messy part...covering the hillside. Following another excellent suggestion by Joe C, I picked up a bag of green lichen from A.C Moore as well as snagged a bag of Scenic Express lichen dyed in autumn colors and using spray adhesive and various shades of orange, red, rust, yellow, and green coarse foam, began making and gluing "trees" to the land form that mimicked the pattern on the photo backdrop:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3701_zpsfxduoihy.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3708_zpsochcoo7t.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3704_zpsofn1bhre.jpg.html][/URL]

I have to say I've very pleased with the lichen idea; they are naturally shaped and when covered with ground foam, a pretty good representation. I also messed around with some Micro Mark black poly fiber, which (in my opinion) is way too fluffy and not stiff enough to work as well.

Here's a lichen "ball" covered in coarse...while a little more expensive than poly fiber, it looks pretty good.

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3705_zpspwp0zzbp.jpg.html][/URL]

And on the hillside:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3731_zpscus6dzzm.jpg.html][/URL]


Here's an overall shot of the "finished" scene:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3719_zpsxz4jrivz.jpg.html][/URL].

Wanting to break things up a little, I futzed with making a single layer foamcore profile, first painting it earth tan, then trying to make some "happy trees" using any array of acrylic paints. I liked the end result until I put it next to the backdrop:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/FullSizeRender_zpssszjh081.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3726_zpskeo02psg.jpg.html][/URL]

Too stark, too out of scale, too.....something. Next stop: ground foam:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/FullSizeRender-01_zpseqv1ux26.jpg.html][/URL]

Here's the finished product; not perfect, but better:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3728_zps5sdfpu9b.jpg.html][/URL]

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_3730_zpspsmtuicm.jpg.html][/URL]

I meant to take a picture of what my workbench looked like during the construction process; trust me, it was complete and total mess that I'm STILL trying to clean up.













Edited by - Harsco on 12/25/2015 11:00:48 AM

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MarkF
Engineer

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Posted - 12/25/2015 :  11:32:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Its great to see an update from you sir! Its going to be fun watching you develop Linglestown into a finished product. We tease you because of your inability to finalize a decision, but you always seem to have the last laugh as the finish product is, after a long period of futzing, pondering, etc., always fantastic!

I too am beginning that backdrop process so I can appreciate when you went through.


Mark

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Tabooma County Rwy
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Posted - 12/25/2015 :  1:27:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rick, very timely (and super informative) posting. I purchased the LARC complete 5 volume set at the NMRA Convention this past August, and am at the point where I am going to print out a few test panels to move around in different configurations. I was wondering about how to tackle this project and your posting addressed just that - Thank you!

Al Carter



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nhguy
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Posted - 12/25/2015 :  2:13:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit nhguy's Homepage  Send nhguy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Rick,

Interesting approch to low relief scenery. I think it is coming out nicely. I think the reason your dirt turns dark is the dirt is picking up the black paint. It looks great for rich soil and mud. I agree with you that it is a bit dark for a forested area but have you tried putting the foliage on it? It could lead to some interesting shadowing.

Somewhere on this forum I showed how I used the 2 inch blue foam board to make shallow scenery at the work bench. But of course I cant find it. I used it on its side so it is two inches thick. I used a bread knife to shape and cut it. So no hot knife and fumes. It might save you some time and your back as you do this on the work bench. Just an idea for you to put in your tool box.

Your post is also timely as I just received a box of lichen for setting up a friend's fathers locomotive for him in Oregon. I like the texture of the course foam on the lichen. It look like the dense bushes in the Connecticut area I am modeling and I'm pretty sure I will use it. Your futzing pays off for the rest of us for sure.

Keep those updates coming sir!

Bill


Bill Shanaman
New Haven RR
Hartford Division
in Colorado.

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Harsco
Fireman



Posted - 12/27/2015 :  11:01:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, Bill...it's definitely a futz in progress. My daughter and son-in-law offered the opinion that the background flat was too one dimensional and needed some 3D trees and shrubs at the bottom to further force the perspective. I definitely like the lichen as a tree and shrub foundation; having worked with the polyfiber, it's way better at looking correct in a background.

I do remember your post about using the styrofoam and will try that.....



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lemkerailroad1
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Posted - 02/23/2016 :  09:55:23 AM  Show Profile  Send lemkerailroad1 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
how is the electric furnace coming along?
I am modeling my 3rd steel mill complex
and looking for new ideas

finally got done reading all of chapter 1 and chapter 2
great looking layout



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PJ
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Posted - 02/29/2016 :  3:27:39 PM  Show Profile  Visit PJ's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Getting bigger all the time/ Looks good.


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BessemerBob
Engine Wiper

Posted - 03/11/2016 :  10:57:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mr. Harso,

Hope all is well and you have had some time to get to the layout. Always looking forward to updates. Any further progress on the Mill?


"the sleep of a laboring man is sweet"

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MarkF
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Posted - 03/11/2016 :  11:36:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can tell you that Harsso is always working on the layout. He is constantly futzing in various areas and has recently been working on a scratchbuilt structure that, in my opinion, is really nice! But I won't spoil the surprise. Hopefully Mr. Harsco himself will post some pics and share his work here.

Mark

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Harsco
Fireman



Posted - 03/20/2016 :  12:21:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know it's time to update things a little; progress has been somewhat fitful at times but things are getting done.

Thanks to Mark F, my staging yards are now diode-matrix controlled, making it a heckava lot easier for the crews to align the turnouts under the new Linglestown Secondary:

[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_4233_zpsqyx2ejpo.jpg.html][/URL]

Work continues on the Secondary with customers and structures being decided and mocked up; here's the final line up.

Starting left, we have Fishing Creek Prep Plant; raw coal comes in and is cleaned, sized and prepped for Commonwealth Coke operations:
[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_4235_zpsex4hilrs.jpg.html][/URL]

Next on the line is Molly Gypsum, manufacturer of wall board and being mocked up with Rix materials:
[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_4236_zpsml4x3do4.jpg.html][/URL]

Moving to the right, Penn Paper (any "Office" fans here?) being mocked up using an Atlas Middlesex Manufacturing kit:
[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_4237_zpsykdgcemd.jpg.html][/URL]

Cleaver-Brooks (suggested by SteamNut) manufactures steam boilers and generation units...still a mock up in progress but the idea is to have another place to stage an occasional High and Wide movement to and from:
[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_4238_zpsppswb3b5.jpg.html][/URL]

Last but not least, a slice of downtown Linglestown...station, stores, and future grade crossing:
[URL=http://s229.photobucket.com/user/RBickmore/media/IMG_4239_zpsejqaglpf.jpg.html][/URL]

Sharp eyed viewers will notice the infamous blue painter's tape and realize that I have not yet permanently installed the photo backdrops...a chore I'm not exactly looking forward to.

One other project has been monopolizing my time but I'll post that separately.






Edited by - Harsco on 03/20/2016 12:37:04 PM

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nhguy
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Posted - 03/20/2016 :  1:09:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit nhguy's Homepage  Send nhguy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Rick, Your futzing is moving right along. I feel your pain with the backdrops. And I am using a couple of Atlas Middlesex buildings myself. Looks good!

Bill Shanaman
New Haven RR
Hartford Division
in Colorado.

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BessemerBob
Engine Wiper

Posted - 03/20/2016 :  2:13:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dunder Mifflin will be a great source of box car traffic!

"the sleep of a laboring man is sweet"

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