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Joe-SVL
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Posted - 07/06/2018 :  1:04:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit Joe-SVL's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Need HELP with photographs

I've almost worn out my keyboard searching Google, Railnet, PRRTHS web sites for pictures of prototype cars to use in my documentation package and I am totally striking out. I have even tried the Library of Congress but all I can find there are "Collection" but no rr car collections. I would greatly appreciate it and so also those that follow down the car certificate path in the future if people would kindly list the various web sites where they found AP Car certificate appropriate photographs of the cars they have successfully built.

Joe Brann
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jbvb
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Posted - 07/06/2018 :  9:54:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbvb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've done contest entries using photocopies of MR articles (plan/pictures) and Railway Prototype Cyclopedia (just pictures, but with detail) and a couple using photos from books (in this case, I brought the books themselves as part of the documentation). Did you build your cars strictly from plans, not working from any photos? It's difficult to get Conformance points without photos, so I keep this in mind when picking prototypes.




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Joe-SVL
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Posted - 07/07/2018 :  08:41:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit Joe-SVL's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jim,

I have not built any AP Cars yet. I'm just trying to get my mind around the requirements.

Joe Brann
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jbvb
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Posted - 07/07/2018 :  10:21:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit jbvb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
For scratchbuilding, some people start with a prototype car, preserved in a museum or found on a siding somewhere. They photograph it, measure it and draw a plan. If you can get basic dimensions of a car from an Official Railway Equipment Register or a RR 'Diagram Book', it's possible to scale a plan from photos. Others start with a plan in a magazine or book, which are usually accompanied by photos. But drawing your own plan will increase your score according to the contest judging guidelines.


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bitlerisvj
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Posted - 07/07/2018 :  11:42:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Joe,
Sorry that I switched subjects in mod-stream. The JL Innovative is a structure, a motorcycle bar/hangout.
https://www.shop.jlinnovative.com/Suds-Bucket-361.htm
But the same applies. If you add enough to a kit, structure or car, you may be surprised at the result.
Regards, Vic B.



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mwbpequod
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Posted - 08/01/2018 :  1:22:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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I've almost worn out my keyboard searching Google, Railnet, PRRTHS web sites for pictures of prototype cars to use in my documentation package and I am totally striking out. I have even tried the Library of Congress but all I can find there are "Collection" but no rr car collections. I would greatly appreciate it and so also those that follow down the car certificate path in the future if people would kindly list the various web sites where they found AP Car certificate appropriate photographs of the cars they have successfully built.


Cars was the 1st or 2nd certificate that I got, and I am perhaps not the routine on this category. All but 1 of my cars were totally free-lanced; just one was an actual prototype car. Regardless of that somewhat misleading ratio, misleading since even free lanced cars have to meet proper prototype practice, I got almost all of my information out of older copies of Model RR Craftsman. I had the photos of that car out of the RMC article and that was enough. So you might want to search the model RR magazine index. Also, you could ask for a search by the NMRA library.

For PRR though you might look at:

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/

I'm actually contemplating building an early PRR baggage car that the CVRR used as well as an early PRR poling car that was also used by the CVRR - diagrams and other info are available on that site for much of the PRR roster. I'm also fortunate though since I actually have a real photo of the CVRR poling car to work from in addition to the diagram data.


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Joe-SVL
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Posted - 10/20/2018 :  08:59:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit Joe-SVL's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I hopefully soon will gather up the courage to start on my cars certificate (my 7-th) but I'm having trouble finding any 0.019" brass wire which is appropriate for some of the under-body braking mechanism segments. Does anybody know where I can find 0.019" brass wire? Detail Associates makes (used to make) such wire but nobody has any in stock presently. Also have people used an alternative to brass wire for the under body parts?

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Joe Brann
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Michael Hohn
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Posted - 10/20/2018 :  09:39:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Joe,

Tichy has 0.020 phosphor bronze wire.

Clover House has 0.018 and 0.020.

Probably close enough to 0.019.

Mike


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mwbpequod
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Posted - 10/20/2018 :  10:14:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Does anybody know where I can find 0.019" brass wire? Detail Associates makes (used to make) such wire but nobody has any in stock presently.


Beginning to have the same problem on all of the Detail Associates brass wire sizes.

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Joe,

Tichy has 0.020 phosphor bronze wire.

Clover House has 0.018 and 0.020.

Probably close enough to 0.019.


And, that seems to be the currently viable solution for me as well even for some of the larger sizes that I routinely use in O scale.


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Joe-SVL
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Posted - 11/16/2018 :  1:37:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit Joe-SVL's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well time has come and I plan on starting on creating my cars shortly after Thanksgiving. But I've got a series of new questions that I would appreciate help on.

1. My presumption is that for the "Conformity" part of the scoring matrix that I need to include in my documentation package a photograph of the car I am building. Does that photograph have to be of a prototype car or could it be a car from my rr or a car shown in the pages of say MR?

2. Do the cars need to be weighted per NMRA RP?

3. Do the judges need to see all 8 cars at the same time ever?

4. I would greatly appreciate seeing a list of what 7 non-passenger cars others have built to satisfy the Car certificate requirements.

5. In the prototype world the box part of a box cars sits on a 2-inch wide stud that extends up from the truck bolster. Is it important to model this versus just attaching the truck to the car with a screw? i.e. is physical conformity an important factor or just visual conformity?

thanks
Joe in Orlando



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Joe-SVL
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Posted - 11/16/2018 :  1:47:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit Joe-SVL's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Spelling correction

change "stud" to "stub"

thanks

Joe in Orlando



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mwbpequod
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Posted - 11/16/2018 :  3:03:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Joe-SVL

Well time has come and I plan on starting on creating my cars shortly after Thanksgiving. But I've got a series of new questions that I would appreciate help on.

1. My presumption is that for the "Conformity" part of the scoring matrix that I need to include in my documentation package a photograph of the car I am building. Does that photograph have to be of a prototype car or could it be a car from my rr or a car shown in the pages of say MR?


Best to have a photo of the exact prototype car you are having judged and better to be as close to it as possible with your model - source of photo is not relevant.

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2. Do the cars need to be weighted per NMRA RP?



No.

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3. Do the judges need to see all 8 cars at the same time ever?



No.

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4. I would greatly appreciate seeing a list of what 7 non-passenger cars others have built to satisfy the Car certificate requirements.



Complicated - only 1/7 of mine were based on any prototype at all....the 1 was a L&N Tool & Water car from plan in RMC(?). Rest were all free-lanced.

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5. In the prototype world the box part of a box cars sits on a 2-inch wide stud that extends up from the truck bolster. Is it important to model this versus just attaching the truck to the car with a screw? i.e. is physical conformity an important factor or just visual conformity?



Pretty sure that's exempt - all my cars have the trucks were mounted by either metal or wood screws into the bolster


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Michael Hohn
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Posted - 11/16/2018 :  6:01:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Martin answered your questions well so Iíll just add that the cars I built for my AP certificate were a wooden flat car, wooden gondola, and a wood boxcar. All built board on board. These all made the required number of points for achievement awards, the flat car barely. I would not try that again. I also received barely enough points for a passenger car because I built it from a kit and added an interior and brake equipment. My other cars were a mix of flat and box cars.

Mike


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BurleyJim
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Posted - 11/16/2018 :  6:39:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Joe,

To add a little more info. Conformity wise, make sure you include a 'train line, cut bars, and brake components. They are pretty much mandatory on freight cars. Brake gear and train line for your passenger car. If you do a flat car, the load 'counts' toward complexity. Make sure you have it secured properly, tie downs, chained, etc. WEATHER THEM! Good luck with your quest.

Jim



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mwbpequod
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Posted - 11/16/2018 :  7:59:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, (1) get yourself a copy of the judging guidelines and read them over carefully; (2) when it comes to conformity, never show the judges a photo of some other cars (can't tell you how many times I've had this happen), and (3) whatever picture you do include - make sure your model matches and if it doesn't have a really good explanation why included in the write-up.

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