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N2626 Posted - 01/07/2016 : 10:38:43 PM
Poll Question:
I wonder how many of use are using Code 88 width wheel sets. I've run into some problems lately ordering wheel sets. I always replaced all the wheels on my cars with metal wheel set and formerly used 33 inch Proto 2000 wheel sets which have not been available for at least a years now. These wheel sets where Code 110.

If there is room and you would like to state who's wheel-sets you use, by all means give that information.
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N2626 Posted - 01/23/2016 : 06:56:13 AM
BurleyJim pointed out another option I had failed to allow for. So, I added Option # 4 today: "I use a mixture of both Code 88 and Code 110 and don't have any problems". It's possible that this thread has run out its' life span. I do try hard to present all the options and be as unbiased as I can be; however, I never seem to catch every aspect of a subject and can and do fall short, far more often than I would like. Sorry for this oversight!
N2626 Posted - 01/11/2016 : 06:45:57 AM
Having been a tool and die maker, you would think Proto 87 would appeal to me; however, I don't find I have interest in it in the slightest. Working so hard to produce detail that is barely perceptible to my own eyes, seems like spinning my wheels. I'm not putting those who chose this endeavor, down. I'm all for people pursing whatever they want. I've conveyed many times how I am not a fast builder. I would have some doubts about having workable track for a layout in Proto 87 after 28 years abuilding!

Nuff said, people will always misinterpret what I've said and take it as put down. So, I will let this thought, go now! I will say that picking Proto 87 as your choice in model railroading, does not preclude people from being extraordinary craftsmen in their own choice of what they model!
MarkF Posted - 01/10/2016 : 10:06:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by NP2626

In another thread a person made the following statment: "I'd rather have the layout work than worry so much about details on an operations oriented layout". I am of that same opinion, I pay attention to the details that are of interest to me (Like almost everyone else, I would guess) but, am most interested in the layout working well. I am also very interested in stretching my hobby dollar; so, given these two interests/criteria, going in for complete scale adherence just doesn't appeal to me. I like that I feel I can get buy with Code 110 width wheels, they fit into my idea of what a "Good Working Layout" is all about. I understand that others may want to take scale farther and some even want to take it to the Nth degree and I applaud them for their endeavor to do so, as long as it doesn't effect how I can enjoy my interests in this hobby!


Mark, your comments mirror my own thoughts. I truly admire those who model to true scale under Proto 87 standards. There is some amazing work out there! But I have a large operations based layout with 430+ freight cars so it is difficult for me to focus on the tiny details.

As it concerns wheelsets, every single piece of rolling stock on my layout has metal wheelsets though. I do take great care maintaining the cars, ensuring good operational reliability, and IMHO, metal wheelsets contribute to the cars reliability. As for brand, I previously used nothing but Kadee and still like them, but recently started using both Athearn and Intermountain wheel sets. They are all good.
emccamey Posted - 01/09/2016 : 9:18:04 PM
P87 is a skilled craftsman modeling scale. Often time requiring machinist skills to accomplish necessary mechanical modeling. Jon got it right when pointing to the Proto87 Stores (which also sells fine scale code 88 standard HO as well as N scale stuff).

Biggest issue is steam drivers. I have to dismantle and lathe cut the driver wheels. Sometimes I replace with UK P4/Scale4 wheels that have been further cut down with a P87 plunge cut profile cutter. One also has to modify chassis on most (but not all) locomotives such that fully equalized suspension is properly working. Side rods on steamers also have to be replaced with working pivot joints using lap or forked rod bearing connections.

Much of the diesel models have an adequate suspension (or can be easily modified) and drop in NWSL wheel sets from the P87 Stores can be purchased.

NMRA Sx.1 standards are very specific and there is a 23 page Technical Note TN-1.1.2 that has some extensive documentation on all the Proto:Scale Standards. Besides Proto:87, there is P4/S4 standards in the UK, Proto:64, and Proto:48 standards.

-ed-

LandNnut Posted - 01/09/2016 : 4:47:53 PM
Hi Mark:
I'm not Ed but I may be able to give you a partial answer: The Proto:87 Stores.

http://www.proto87.com/

Been following the web site for several years and also a member of the yahoo group: Accu-Track

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ACCU-TRAK/conversations/messages

Haven't been able to buy anything from Andy because of lack of time and hobby dollars, but I believe I can recommend The Proto:87 Stores.

I think everybody who can should at least buy a package of tie plates to use as a line side debris detail so we can support an innovative supporter of the hobby.
L&N nut
Jon
bitlerisvj Posted - 01/09/2016 : 12:17:02 PM
I replied that I use only 110, but in all honesty, I do have several sets of code 88. Since I am running code 83 track and most of my turnouts are handlaid, I don't have any trouble at all. But, I do plan on using 110 for the most part. I wish the P2K wheelsets became available again. I do use Kadees, but the P2K's are a bit better I think?
Regards, Vic B.
N2626 Posted - 01/09/2016 : 08:00:06 AM
emcamey, where do you find Proto 87 equipment/parts?
jbvb Posted - 01/09/2016 : 07:29:12 AM
.088 width wheels work with many commercial turnouts, enough that one Hub Module Group member brings trains to run whose cars all have .088 wheels. I know, he found a couple of broad-gauge joiner tracks I had, which led me to revise how I make them.
N2626 Posted - 01/09/2016 : 07:21:34 AM
In another thread a person made the following statment: "I'd rather have the layout work than worry so much about details on an operations oriented layout". I am of that same opinion, I pay attention to the details that are of interest to me (Like almost everyone else, I would guess) but, am most interested in the layout working well. I am also very interested in stretching my hobby dollar; so, given these two interests/criteria, going in for complete scale adherence just doesn't appeal to me. I like that I feel I can get buy with Code 110 width wheels, they fit into my idea of what a "Good Working Layout" is all about. I understand that others may want to take scale farther and some even want to take it to the Nth degree and I applaud them for their endeavor to do so, as long as it doesn't effect how I can enjoy my interests in this hobby!

I am wondering why if there are Code 110 wheels and Proto 87 wheels, why is there a "tweener" sized Code 88?
N2626 Posted - 01/08/2016 : 5:32:38 PM
emccamey, thanks for the information!
emccamey Posted - 01/08/2016 : 12:51:22 PM
Proto:87 is VERY NEAR exact 1:87.08357 AREA and AAR dimensional reduction. ONLY code 64 wheels can run on P87 track, and code 64 wheels will NOT run on standard HO track. (Code 88 and code 110 wheels can not run on P87 track.)

Flangeways in P87 turnouts is a tight tolerance 0.021" - 0.022" and the standard HO wheels flanges won't fit. Code 64 wheels have flanges 0.012" width and 0.013" deep - which won't work with standard HO track. P87 track has severe restriction on gauge widening and most properly modified P87 equipment will require VERY generous curves. My own minimum radius is 32" in yards and sidings with 42" minimum radius for mainline.

It's a very different world and requires some extreme construction techniques.

-ed-
Graffen Posted - 01/08/2016 : 11:42:47 AM
On my HO std gauge I use mostly code 88.
N2626 Posted - 01/08/2016 : 11:33:09 AM
How foolish of me to think there were only 3 choices! Maya Culpa. I guess I thought the Code 88 width wheels in HO, were Proto 87. Don't really know anything about P 87, I guess.
LandNnut Posted - 01/08/2016 : 09:58:42 AM
This discussion does not directly apply to N scale. I have found that my N scale Peco turn outs have large sloppy clearances do not like low profile wheels on 50 foot cars so N scale pizza cutters for me for now. If I ever build a new layout with different turnouts I may be able to run low profile wheel sets.

Cool sounding stuff there on Proto 87, Ed


L&N nut Jon
BurleyJim Posted - 01/08/2016 : 09:44:41 AM
You are missing a choice 'D'. To paraphrase what jbvb said, mixed mode and functional ain't a bad choice. To replace all wheelsets is bit of being a 'rivet counter' for me.

Jim

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